A Vegan Diet is Not Healthy
I’m mentally preparing myself for this one. Because it’s inevitable I’ll receive at least a few heated comments on this post. But that’s the cool thing – you can say whatever you’d like in your comment, the same way I can post whatever I’d like on my blog. So just keep that in mind if you don’t agree with what I have to say. And do try to be at least semi-courteous. You may or may not want to speak your thoughts to my face, but do remember that we are all people here, not just some nameless, faceless computer bots with gravatars.
So veganism. Generally defined as a diet and lifestyle which includes no animal products or animal by-products whatsoever. No meat, dairy, eggs, honey, etc.
I want to make two main points here about why I believe a vegan diet is not a healthy one long term. I’m not here to debate the ethics or morality of eating animals. Full disclosure: I am an omnivore. I eat meat. And I don’t believe it is cruel to do so. But that’s because I also believe all animals should be raised in an environment conducive to their health and well-being, i.e. not CAFO operations or battery cages.
I don’t believe a vegan diet or lifestyle is ecologically sustainable, either. If you want to delve more into that, I highly recommend reading Folks, This Ain’t Normal by Polyface farmer Joel Salatin. Life changing book.
So point number one about a vegan diet:
If You Don’t Do it Right, Don’t Do it at All
Did you notice that cheese puffs or white bread aren’t animal products? Do you know some vegans or vegetarians who are more like carb-etarians or junk-ans? Just because you don’t eat red meat or cow’s milk doesn’t mean you are automatically healthier. (By the way, the vast majority of all those ‘scientific’ studies that say red meat causes cancer were done using CAFO beef. Of course animals kept in confinement standing knee deep in their own poop, and being pumped full of hormones and antibiotics, and being fed a completely abnormal diet of corn and candy wrappers will produce some nasty meat that can absolutely cause disease in your body. Same thing goes for pasteurized cow’s milk. But I digress . . . )
Here’s the deal – when done right, a vegan diet makes a fantastic detox diet in the short term. Scads of people have switched from a junk food diet of processed and fast food, replaced it with a vegan diet full of raw vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, and legumes and have seen their health improve drastically. All those foods are incredibly healthy superfoods! And the vast majority of people in the Western world would do well to abide by that sort of a diet for a few weeks or months.
But (and this brings me to my next point) a long-term vegan diet is not a wise way to go. Many people (like John Nicholson) find their health deteriorating at a rapid rate when following a vegan diet.
A Vegan Diet is Not Nourishing
This is so fascinating to me. Did you know that without plenty of healthy fats in your diet, you are not able to assimilate and absorb the nutrients in fruits and vegetables? This means you can eat kale and bell peppers until you are green in the face, but if you’re not consuming enough healthy saturated fat, it’s like you didn’t even need to bother.
And where do you find these healthy fats? Sure, you get them from coconut, avocado, almonds, and olive oil, but these sources are not always in season, not always convenient to purchase in your area, and are not always present in your diet in a high enough quantity on a given day to meet your body’s requirements to function properly. After all, 60% of your brain and nervous system are made of fat. We need fat for proper brain function, nerve signal transmission, and hormone balance!
But butter from grass-fed, pastured cows is rich in saturated fats, vitamin A, buytric acid, conjugated linoleic acid (CLA – a powerful cancer fighter), and lauric acid. Grass-fed, pastured beef itself is also rich in these same nutrients, as well as being a fantastic source of protein, amino acids, and vitamin B12 – which vegans must take as a supplement (a required nutrient our bodies don’t create – we must get it from animal sources).
Omnivores Healthier Than Vegetarians in Indigenous Cultures
I read an awesome anecdote about my main man Weston A. Price over on The Healthy Home Economist’s blog (she wrote a great article about how 75% of vegetarians return to eating meat). The study Price documented is very telling about how a vegetarian or vegan diet is unsuited for humans. Here she is in her words:
Dr. Price traveled the world in the 1920′s and 1930′s visiting 14 isolated cultures in the process. During this adventure which he documented in great detail with amazing pictures in his masterpiece Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, Dr. Price concluded that while the diets of these natives varied widely, nutrient dense animal foods high in the fat soluble vitamins A, D, and K (also known as Activator X) were the common denominator. Consumption of these animal foods were revered in these communities as they bestowed vibrant health, ease of fertility, healthy children, and high resistance to chronic and infectious disease.
This discovery was a disappointment to Dr. Price who had expected to find the vegetarian cultures to be the healthiest cultures of all. But, the vegetarian cultures he examined displayed more degeneration than the omnivore cultures which surprised him given that these vegetarian cultures did indeed have superior health than the Americans of his day.
A sad commentary on the state of health in the Western world with our plastic, packaged, chemical-filled foods, but a true insight into the path to optimal health – it includes animal foods!
If you are looking for quality sources of sustainably raised beef & dairy, check your local farmer’s market (find one near you on the Local Harvest website) or have it shipped to your door from Beyond Organic.
I also want to highlight an absolutely beautiful, almost poetic look at this topic from Kristen of Food Renegade. Her post, Why I’m Not a Vegan, spoke volumes to me about this issue. I think you’ll find it well worth reading.
What has been your experience with a vegan or vegetarian diet?
This post is linked to Simple Lives Thursday, Fight Back Friday, Sunday School


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Apr 12, 2012 @ 08:50:27
This is a wonderfully written, common-sense, excellently documented approach to the reasons it behooves us to carefully consider how we choose to live and what to consume. We cannot afford to take a haphazard approach to how we fuel body, soul, and mind. Our power to not only survive, but thrive, depends on it. Bravo!
Apr 12, 2012 @ 12:09:13
Thanks Tammy! I appreciate your words :)
Jan 20, 2013 @ 21:36:53
I eat a mostly vegan diet made up of whole, unprocessed foods; however, I still eat meat, because that is when I feel best. I wish the vegan community would embrace those of us who realize that the processed, factory farm crap is not good for anyone; and applaud everyone who makes an effort to be more conscious in their food choices. The hatred and self-righteousness of so many vegans turns people off and their arguments are completely ignored. It would be better for the animals, the humans, and the environment if everyone ate one vegan meal a day – filled with whole, unprocessed foods – right!?! Vegans, stop making conscious omnivores your enemy and start working with us and let’s see what can be accomplished!
Feb 06, 2013 @ 00:34:57
Vegan diet done correctly has more nutrtion in than any other diet on the planet for humans. People who tell you otherwise don’t know what they’re talking about. And should stop telling lies. And giving out disinformation. And instead of panicing they should start growing more fruit and veg! Check out nutritionfacts . org – they explain about what is healthy!
Feb 13, 2013 @ 18:32:11
How is it remotely more nutritious than a balanced diet with lean protein? If “done correctly” you’re probably in taking no more than 1000 calories a day.. Which is great if you’re trying to detox or lose weight fast (binge diet basically) but over time your body will not function properly by cutting out one giant food group. Our ancestors ate meat and fruits/vegetables.. For a reason mind you.
Feb 24, 2013 @ 00:00:41
As a vegan of YEARS I am quite healthy. If I examine my calorie intake each day it is noramally 2000-2200 calories. I have gained weight since becoming a vegan. You are an idiot who tries to justify the moral implications of meat with false ideas, just as the author has done.
Feb 26, 2013 @ 16:11:01
Our ancestors also killed each other for the right to mate but I don’t see people doing that anymore. If you’re going to be a caveman, do it right.
Mar 14, 2013 @ 19:22:47
I hate discussing veganism with people. As a vegan, I do not try to push my beliefs on anyone unless they demand I defend my lifestyle. Being a vegan does not automatically mean you are eating a healthy diet. There are still many unhealthy vegan options. Vegans still have to maintain a balanced diet just like everyone else does. An unbalanced eating vegan and an unbalanced eating omnivore are both just as unhealthy. A balanced eating vegan does not miss any nutrition, and in fact receives probably more nutrition, than an omnivore receives. It just takes more planning, and chances are if you’ve made the decision to become a vegan you’ve accepted that.
May 03, 2013 @ 12:12:22
If you believe in the Bible, the first diet did not include meat. It was based totally on plant based foods. How long did Adam and Eve (or early people) live?
Feb 21, 2013 @ 05:25:55
Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian…we all know how “right” he thought he was…..sheesh!
Feb 22, 2013 @ 04:46:43
Actually, the Hitler was a vegetarian claim has been exposed as a myth – as propaganda from his enemies. However, even if he had been, that proves nothing as there as there have been many more dictators and despots who were meat eaters and I don’t see you saying “sheesh” to that. What has been proven is that vegans and vegetarians are, on average, more compassionate not only to animals but to people – and that there is a link between animal abuse and abuse of humans.
Feb 28, 2013 @ 14:58:34
Hey, I`m german and I read a TONE of stuff about hitler in the Federal Archive and many “friends” or other Nazis wrote diarys which often contained dinners with Mr, Hitler and he ate A LOT of meat… mostl pork and Wiener Schnitzel… he was cruel but that has NOTHING to do with his diet!
Mar 04, 2013 @ 18:16:04
Hitler was a great man. I forget sometimes that people still feel justified to reference him in an implicitly derogatory manner. We must realize that the victors of war write history, and as far as I’ve studied, Hitler is the most lied about man in history:
To homophobes he was homosexual. To homosexuals he was homophobic.
To Anti-Zionists he was a Zionist Jew. To Zionists he was an anti-Zionist Aryan.
To vegetarians/vegans he consumed meat. To anti-vegans he was vegan.
No matter your walk of life, this man is your devil. And what a crock of shit it all is.
For the record: Hitler loved animals and was vegetarian (what veganism originally meant) by his own accord from a young age. Once in power he shut down all the slaughter factories in German territory and implemented the first comprehensive anti-animal cruelty laws.
I’m vegan and honor National Socialism for what it truly is, the world’s liberator and path to the next Golden Age.
This article ignores the multitudes of lifelong vegans who show greater health and longevity than the rest of the population. K9s are natural omnivores; humans don’t have the requisite acidic saliva or canine teeth to be omnivore. Humans hunted because one) they didn’t know how to cultivate the soil, and two) in cold regions hunting was necessary for survival. This is not the case today.
Mar 31, 2013 @ 09:00:11
Wow Jake, you really are a sick puppy, the victors didnt need to rewrite the history of WWll you idiot, it only happen 70 years ago, there are plenty of people around now or who only just died that saw first hand exactlt what sort of lunatic/mass murderer hitler was. Tell me if we arnt meant to eat meat were were our ancestors suppos eto get B12 from, did they go down to the local chemist and buy supplements.
Apr 12, 2013 @ 01:13:24
Hitler also probably wore socks. Do you wear socks? He probably brushed his teeth. You too? The similarities are endless! Obviously we’re all just like Hitler, every single person commenting!!
Apr 13, 2013 @ 16:29:07
He became vegetarian because his doctor advised it.
Saddam Hussein ate tons of meat.
And if Hitler was a vegetarian, how does it feel knowing that the most evil man in recent history was kinder to animals than you are?
Mar 13, 2013 @ 16:21:29
it’s always the case that when some information goes against Vegan belief system that the information JUST HAS TO BE WRONG.
This goes for all decisions in life, sometimes you will be wrong, and it’s how you act when you discover that defines your personality.
Personally, I struggle talking to vegans about anything because in my experience they turn every attempt at a conversation as a way to push their beliefs on me.
I don’t think it’s just about eating anymore, more like a religion.
Apr 05, 2013 @ 10:21:57
This is a fantastic comment. Well said!
Apr 12, 2013 @ 00:49:40
It’s very possible to be healthy eating vegan. If you have any questions about nutrition, such as what I eat and where I get b12 (not supplements) or other nutrients you have been misinformed about in their relation to a vegan lifestyle, feel free to ask.
Veganism is very different than religion. Gods are something believed in through “faith,” which means you trust in it even though it can’t be proved. Veganism is based on facts and logic. However, similar to religion, it is also based on ethics. Some of the ethics you might have as a vegan are:
– unnecessarily killing for the sake of profit is bad
– paying for something unethical because you like it is bad
– all rape is bad and you can’t say “you can rape that one, but not that one”
– exploitation of the female body is bad
– separating a mother and her child against their wishes is bad
– mutilation without even using anesthetic is bad
– forcing beings to live in unsanitary conditions causing them to suffer from painful ailments is bad
– killing beings because of their sex is bad
– cruel and unnecessary experiments on beings against their will is bad
It’s just strange to me that people try to ignore that veganism is the ethical way by looking for loopholes, such as that some people like junk food or some people don’t realize something kind of unexpected like most condoms aren’t vegan. Yes, vegans want to push their beliefs on you. If I see you beating a child in public, I’ll probably say something as well. I don’t condone rape, murder, gendercide, torture, slavery, or oppression. I just wish other people didn’t.
Apr 14, 2013 @ 08:01:33
I could give you dozen of medical reasons which I UNDERSTAND, even although I’m 15 years old, on why veganism is unhealthy. If you wanna hear them, I’ll probably never check this blog again, but for starters check out info on why our body needs fat and essential amino-acids.
I understand it’s cruel, but there’s no other way for us. Animals also kill each other in order to get food, the only difference is that they don’t keep each other in store until they need meat or products. By which logic you understand it’s necessary for them to kill for food, and isn’t for us? It’s natural for them and isn’t for us?
As for the raising and exploiting animals, mainly female ones, they couldn’t go any other way. They’re domestic animals, they couldn’t live by themselves, we have to take care of them. Not that they owe us their life for it, but it’s pretty much like that with humans. If somebody is paying all your food and bills and everything, you work for him. It sucks, but it’s truth.
Too lazy to make more sense now, and *looks at the clock in panic* gtg anyways.
Mar 22, 2013 @ 15:05:42
YES Jered, thank you!
Apr 22, 2013 @ 15:39:20
I was vegan for 3 years and for the first 2 1/2 years i felt phenominal and my conscience was clean…. but then i started to lose my hair, bruising really easily, my nails were breaking and i was having crazy emotional outbursts. So thinking i had cancer or some other disease, i went to my doctor and had some blood work done….come to find out i was protein defficent. To the extreme. After freaking out about even considering to give up my lifestyle i decided to go to a nutriotionist, and what i learned (shocking i didnt already know this) is that our body does NOT store protein. Which explained the nails and hair. Where do vegans get the majority of their protein from? Soy and what does soy have in it? Estrogen, and when your diet it is mostly estrogen your body goes a-wall. Hence the mood swings.
So all you hyped-up-on-estrogen vegans out there, calm down. No one is attacking your life choices, people are just trying to help each other in any way they think they can.
No need to be all defensive.
May 05, 2013 @ 11:58:16
Stephen, it is the vegans/vegetarians who are telling the lies. The human digestive tract is not long enough to process plant matter over the long term. Herbivores have far longer digestive tracts relative to humans, some digest their food multiple times before excreting and many also have a special digestive organ that breaks down cellulose. While our digestive tracts are longer than pure carnivores, they are not nearly long enough to fully extract all nutrients from plant matter before excreting, we only digest our food once, and we have no organ for breaking down cellulose. Our digestive tract is that of a carnivore that has evolved to be able to tolerate SOME plant matter as a dietary supplement for when meat is in short supply. We are not meant to live solely on plant matter.
May 10, 2013 @ 11:04:03
The Mediterranean Diet has been proven in more than 1 long-term study to be the healthiest in the world in comparison to all other diets/lifestyles. Can’t refute repeatedly confirmed, scientific facts. Nice try. You must be a liberal.
May 22, 2013 @ 00:34:59
Too bad there there is no such thing as scientific fact, only scientific evidence. Google it to learn the difference and why knowing the difference is important. Use the right terminology next time so people won’t assume that you must be a dumb a**
Jul 09, 2012 @ 17:11:04
Tammy, this article is not “excellently documented.” Lori cites a study from the 1920s and 30s and yet the food supply we eat now is not the same as it was in the 20s and 30s. Using 90-year old outdated evidence for current conditions is just plain old bad science. It’s called “cherry picking” – selecting “evidence” to back up your conclusion rather than non-prejudicially drawing a conclusion based on the most current, applicable evidence.
Aug 09, 2012 @ 02:17:16
I couldn’t agree more!
Oct 12, 2012 @ 22:18:44
yes, I have to agree, using one extremely old article to prove a very vague point is hardly convincing
Nov 02, 2012 @ 11:35:23
@ Dr. Archie,
The study quoted from the 20′s and 30′s is and excellent reference and proves that the food back then is better than todays and if we want to be healthier we need to eat what our ancestors did.
You said “the food supply we eat now is not the same as it was in the 20s and 30s.”
That’s the point, it was better and showed that people who eat a vegetarian diet were not as healthy; today they are not any better because the food is inferior.
Nov 10, 2012 @ 14:57:57
I have to agree with Dr. Archie. The science of today points to eating healthy whole grains (NOT junk food or cheese puff), vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, and beans. As for Vitamin B12, omnivores have to supplement with this as well. And something not mentioned at all is that indigenous cultures may eat meat but they eat it in small amounts, not a big chunk on a plate like a steak or pork chop, more as a condiment than as a main part of the meal.
And a point for those in a world where money is very tight and who live in areas without access to organically-raised, grass-fed beef and humanely raised chickens: trying to buy even small amounts can break the budget for a family.
I have some good friends who are omnivores and they raise and slaughter their own cows, pigs, and chickens. I respect their choice, they know what their animals eat, they treat them well, and they make sure they do not suffer. They also eat whole grains and vegetable. That’s a healthy lifestyle, I’m sure, but it’s just not available to many of us in urban areas who happen to be single moms with 3 kids and broke.
I don’t tell anyone else what to do, but being vegetarian and vegan is healthy, so long as you eat healthy grains, nuts, seeds, veggies, fruits, and beans. It’s easy to get enough protein and healthy fats in your diet (I live in the southwest, for example and I always have access to avocados and olives and make good use of them in my cooking). Sorry, I just don’t see a downside. And I’ve been doing it long term and my osteoarthritis is improving and my immune system is in better shape than in years past.
To each his/her own as long as animals are not treated inhumanely. I’m just not one of those people who believe the animals were put here for us to eat.
Nov 20, 2012 @ 19:55:43
I think (hope) the point previous posters are trying to make here is that nutritional science in the 20s and 30s wasn’t anywhere where it is today. You really shouldn’t use studies this old. Even if it is right, you still need a more recent study to back this up. (though, as a caveat, there are probably far fewer isolated tribal groups to study these days!)
Jan 01, 2013 @ 20:32:04
News flash people, those “healthy whole grains” are killing people! Commercially grown wheat on 95% of the planet is a bio-engineered digestive disaster. It has 3x the number of chromosomes of the wheat our Grandparents ate. Do yourself a favour and read “Wheat Belly”.
Feb 06, 2013 @ 12:12:00
You make a good point. Wheat products – even wholemeal bread – aren’t a good source of whole grains because enzymes from within the wheat cells are released when milled and baked, and start to break down the carbohydrates, turning them from complex to simple carbs and lowering their GI. But there are a good variety of others – I suggest a little research but from Wikipedia alone the list stands at: Common whole grains: oat, barley (hulled and dehulled, not pearl barley), maize, brown rice, farro, spelt, emmer, einkorn, kamut, rye, millet, quinoa, amaranth, triticale, teff, sprouted grains, buckwheat, popcorn(!)
May 05, 2013 @ 12:02:56
Brooke, omnivores do not have to supplement B12 because B12 comes from meat and omnivores get enough of it from their diet. here’s a question that will boggle your mind, though. Can you truly call yourself a vegan if you are supplementing with B12 that comes ONLY from animal sources? If you’re supplementing with B12, then you are still an omnivore. Oh, and something else you should know, even animals that are herbivores supplement by eating insects and larvae. If the animals know enough that they need some animal sources in their diets, what’s holding you back from that realization?
Nov 29, 2012 @ 20:26:17
The fact of the matter is eating meat is healthy, being a vegan is not. There is plenty of scientific proof to support it. Just because a study was done a long time ago doesn’t mean it’s invalid. There are plenty of renown scientists through out the years. Are you saying that because the studies were done so long ago that they aren’t true anymore? She makes a good point. Why don’t you go look up why meat is healthy, and why not eating is bad. All meat is bad, being a vegan is unhealthy. There should be a balance between not meat products and meat to have a fully healthy diet.
Dec 15, 2012 @ 04:17:39
The largest study on nutrition contradicts what you said. You should read the china study. The #1 killer in North America is heart disease. Dr.Esselstyn did a 20 year study on heart disease, the largest study of its kind and concluded that plant based diet which is oil free is the best for preventing and reversing heart disease. You should look at who the studies were funded by that conclude meat is good for you. They are probobley biased and funded by the meat industry. The largest studies ever done show that a vegan diet is healthy and that meat is not.
Jan 29, 2013 @ 17:00:38
You realize the study your quoting has been considered seriously fouled by the vast majority of the medical community due to the inaccuracies of death certificates and causes of death in china don’t believe me read this
http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2012/08/vegans-and-cancer-china-study-2/
May 05, 2013 @ 12:06:29
Austin, the people of the Pacific islands and Pacific rim countries use tropical (red palm, palm kernel and coconut) oils almost exclusively in their cooking. These are the three big oils that we have been told for decades are the worst of the worst and yet the people who have been using those oils for hundreds of years are HEALTHIER than we are. They are less likely to suffer from coronary artery disease and are less likely to be obese. It is us here in North America and Europe who are the unhealthy ones and it all started when we abandoned using tropical oils and animal fats for cooking.
Feb 06, 2013 @ 00:34:25
Vegan diet done correctly has more nutrtion in than any other diet on the planet for humans. People who tell you otherwise don’t know what they’re talking about. And should stop telling lies. And giving out disinformation. And instead of panicing they should start growing more fruit and veg! Check out nutritionfacts . org – they explain about what is healthy!
Feb 21, 2013 @ 05:26:10
Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian…we all know how “right” he thought he was…..sheesh!
Dec 29, 2012 @ 23:46:35
is obvious we don’t need meat to survive i agree w vegans
Feb 22, 2013 @ 04:51:27
Wrong, read earlier posted reply….Stop repeating a myth. Stalin was a meat eater, so was Pol Pot and a lot of other mass killers…
Jan 05, 2013 @ 12:55:39
Of couse you know your arguement is bullshit.. and putting Dr. in front of your name tells me a lot about your personality also ROFL. *cough* fallen upwards basterd *cough*
Anyway research from back in the 20 / 30s proves more then it proves when we do the same research in our society since its full of chemicals.
Feb 06, 2013 @ 00:36:05
Vegan diet done correctly has more nutrtion in than any other diet on the planet for humans. People who tell you otherwise don’t know what they’re talking about. And should stop telling lies. And giving out disinformation. And instead of panicing they should start growing more fruit and veg! Check out nutritionfacts . org – they explain about what is healthy!
Mar 13, 2013 @ 16:24:19
considering the health issues people are facing today compared to the 20′s and 30′s I don’t think that information should be so easily dismissed.
Would be interesting to see an obesity study results from 30′s next to a current one.
Mar 14, 2013 @ 18:28:50
its never been ‘just about eating’
you may have had bad experiences but I assure you that most vegans I know (i am in australia), make choices for themselves (while accepting the choices of others and hoping for the same in return) will share their experiences and knowledge if asked but will also inform business owners of their presence so products that suit their lifestyle will more readily become available.
Mar 23, 2013 @ 14:19:50
I agree. Even the fancy grass fed beef at whole foods is finished off with grain and inhumanely slaughtered. I am flirting with a vegan diet but would still eat the animals my brother-in -law hunts because it led the life the animal deserved and was killed instantly. The meat of today is tainted and produced in horrific conditions. So unless you visit the farm and see how it is slaughtered, I say no,no,no!
Aug 09, 2012 @ 03:05:28
I’m a vegan. The “research” here is really inadequate. I’ve heard uneducated opinions like this before & I’m getting tired of repeating the same things over and over so just to address a couple of mistakes:
HEATLHY fats are easily obtained in a vegan diet from nuts, seeds, oils, avocados, coconut and to a lesser degree from most fruits & vegetables.
The largest and longest study on diet ever completed (The China Study-Campbell) found on a global scale, diets lowest in or void of animal products yielded the lowest rates of diseases (all), and general better health & mental well being. On the other end of that, countries eating diets high in animal products had the highest rates of disease (all), general health problems & mental illness.
Nobel prize winning FACT: Diseases like cancer cannot grow or survive in an alkaline environment, only an acidic one. Fact: meat & dairy are highly acidic and cause massive acidity in the body. On the other hand, most fruits, vegetables, nuts & seeds are highly alkaline forming, with only a few being neutral or slightly acid forming.
Anyways, truly, it may have taken me years to understand this (and I do because I’ve eaten a vegan diet for a long time now) but eating a corpse isn’t good for your body or soul. You are literally taking in the energy of death. (not to mention pain, fear & suffering)
For more info on vegan diet & health watch forks over knives or read The China Study -Campbell
For more info on the Meat & dairy industry google Earthlings, it’s a documentary available to watch for free online. (narrated by Joaquin Phoenix)
Aug 09, 2012 @ 03:10:49
Perfectly said! You are telling the facts!
Feb 06, 2013 @ 00:37:25
Vegan diet done correctly has more nutrtion in than any other diet on the planet for humans. People who tell you otherwise don’t know what they’re talking about. And should stop telling lies. And giving out disinformation. And instead of panicing they should start growing more fruit and veg! Check out nutritionfacts . org – they explain about what is healthy!
Meat causes heart problems and cancer and is the most toxic food on the planet for human beings after dairy. Please stop eating dangerous food!
Feb 13, 2013 @ 18:35:26
Stephen stop cutting and pasting the same garbage over and over. Some meat is not good for you… But fish, chicken, turkey IS good for you if it’s prepared correctly (I.E. not deep fried).
Aug 22, 2012 @ 18:28:30
“eating a corpse isn’t good for your body or soul. You are literally taking in the energy of death.”
You were doing well up to that point. This quoted portion is so much nonsense as to call it pseudo-science would be an insult pseudo-science. Energy has a rigid definition that is totally unsuited to what you are even trying to talk about.
I’m not attacking veganism, or any dietary choice here, just pointing what is unverified and unverifiable tosh.
Feb 21, 2013 @ 05:27:12
exactly right :D
Aug 30, 2012 @ 10:28:29
nobel price fact ! .
The ph balance inside the human body is 80 to 20 .
So if your food is made up out of 80 vegetables and 20 % the rest you will not cause cancer ! .
Meat is not main reason of diseases babe :) its sugar and carbs and stress ofcourse :)
About the energy of death , my teacher once’s was invited by the high lama’s in tibet and they slaughterd one of their cows to honor her , She was vegetarian and shifted at that point , Death ? life ? good things to meditate upon especially in a bhuddistic way ;-)
There was a friend of mine who lived with tribes in french guinea and they where asking the vegans : ” why are you so rude to sister plant ? you praise brother animal and dont eat them ? why ? For us sister plant and brother animal are equal and we pay hommage to both “
Feb 06, 2013 @ 00:40:00
Meat is high in trans fats and other toxins which are bad for the human body. please do more research!
Vegan diet done correctly has more nutrtion in than any other diet on the planet for humans. People who tell you otherwise don’t know what they’re talking about. And should stop telling lies. And giving out disinformation. And instead of panicing they should start growing more fruit and veg! Check out nutritionfacts . org – they explain about what is healthy!
Meat causes heart problems and cancer and is the most toxic food on the planet for human beings after dairy. Please stop eating dangerous food!
Feb 21, 2013 @ 05:27:29
Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian…we all know how “right” he thought he was…..sheesh!
Mar 31, 2013 @ 09:04:15
So were do you get yourb b12 from
Sep 08, 2012 @ 15:57:29
The China Study was biased and bad science. It didn’t take account of regions that have higher drug use, higher tobacco use, regions near rivers with high levels of flourine and minerals, and it also didn’t talk about how even though the chinese has a low animal protein diet asians still have the highest rate of stomach cancer than any other racial group. And I’m sorry, we digested animal protein better than vegetable protein, that’s why animal protein is called, “high quality protein.”
Sep 12, 2012 @ 23:32:59
This blog entry is bs. Let’s not forget the doctors out there that are healing patients of various illnesses using a vegan diet. Gabriel Cousens, Neal Barnard, Dean Ornish, McDougall, Esseltyne…etc.
Also carbs are bad? Stop eating fruit then!
Sep 10, 2012 @ 10:06:07
very wellsaid .. this article is very bias
Sep 13, 2012 @ 14:06:56
Unfortunately, Jolene, your nobel prize winning Fact about an alkaline environment was debunked by the very same John Hopkins University cancer center that people were attributing the report to. http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cancerupdate.asp
Not bashing veganism, just bashing incorrect facts.
Oct 12, 2012 @ 22:34:25
this website seems very unreliable and doesn’t make any strong points or research to view
Sep 26, 2012 @ 23:14:49
The reason why the nations that eat more meat had more disease was because they ate it every single meal and they ate the fast food and hormone filled cows. If you take the Greeks who eat meat a lot, they’re healthy. They eat more of the healthy meat and they don’t eat the processed crap.
Dec 27, 2012 @ 13:30:37
Dylan,
This is not accurate, mainland Greeks who eat “a lot” of meat have a myriad of health problems associated with western diets. The Greeks who are known to science to have disproportionately long lives include isolated island communities who eat mainly local vegetables and fish.
Oct 12, 2012 @ 22:30:33
thank you for this intelligent comment
It’s sad that people have to try to make themselves feel better about there shitty pain inflicting diets by bashing a vegan diet which is perfectly natural and has every nutrient you need.
Dec 22, 2012 @ 19:51:46
sadly, there is nothing natural about a vegan diet and no, it does not nearly fulfill nutrition requiements. you can do with supplements ofc but don’t throw lies around.
May 03, 2013 @ 12:27:21
Zen, you don’t know what you are talking about.
Oct 23, 2012 @ 13:27:03
I totally agree “Fork over Knives” changed my life. It made me realize whats going on in my own body and to make changes. Healthy Vegan.
Oct 24, 2012 @ 05:20:41
Wonderful facts, gladly I am familiar with all of them, from information as well as being on the vegan diet…
Another thing to add: it takes about 2 days to digest animals, so Definitely eating meat is draining your Energy.. practically, you’re dying one meal at a time..
Dec 13, 2012 @ 22:36:17
I think it would be fine for everyone to eat as they please, just as long as they keept the extra carbon, poluted water,and deflorestation caused by their food choices over their own heads. The problem is every single food choice we make can influence the planet wether for better or worse. Raising catlle is many times more costly, polutent, and inefficiente them just eating the things we are giving pigs cows and chikens to chew for us.
I advice vegans to convince others not by words but by exemple, just do your thing others will follow, don’t impose our view, just live it.
Oct 29, 2012 @ 20:56:41
“…but eating a corpse isn’t good for your body or soul. You are literally taking in the energy of death. (not to mention pain, fear & suffering).”
Did I miss something? Are plants not also killed for food? Does the energy of death not apply to plants for some reason? As for pain, fear, and suffering… look up Temple Grandin, and her work in redesigning slaughter houses. She’s done more to mitigate the pain and suffering of animals than all the vegans in the world.
On the other hand, the idea that your brain needs fat isn’t fully accurate. The only source of energy the brain can process is carbohydrates (attn paleo dieters: cave men might have been physically healthier for lack of carbs and processed foods, but they also weren’t too smart). Let’s not forget the body readily turns carbs into fats.
Dec 24, 2012 @ 01:43:29
you seemed to have missed the main point… SATURATED FATS, not just any fats. Yes, we can get coconut oil and sustainable Palm oil in our daily diet when bought from health stores now or we buy in bulk bucket from Tropical Traditions. But, Nuts, Seeds, Vegetables are high in PUFA (polyunsaurated fats). Not everyone can eat avocados and most nuts btw, like me. Your brain is mainly made of fat and cholesterol. The lion’s share of the fatty acids in the brain are actually saturated (per Dr. Mercola http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/22/7-Reasons-to-Eat-More-Saturated-Fat.aspx)
RE: “HEATLHY fats are easily obtained in a vegan diet from nuts, seeds, oils, avocados, coconut and to a lesser degree from most fruits & vegetables.”
Jan 20, 2013 @ 07:27:24
@Jolene: In my family, half are vegans and half are omnivores. The vegans ALL have some form of cancer. Keep in mind that these are the vegans who actually eat healthy food (not cheese puffs). They are also frail and look years older than they are. The omnivores in my family look a good 15-20 years younger than their actual age and have absolutely no health problems. I’m one of those omnivores. I eat plenty of meat AND vegetables. Unless you are allergic or have a particular medical condition, it’s best not to cut out an entire food group from your diet.
Feb 24, 2013 @ 05:41:24
Well said Joelene. Couldn’t have said it better! (I’ve been a vegan for 17 years and am healthy – don’t eat any junk/processed foods).
May 05, 2013 @ 12:10:40
Joelene, vegans get their energy from death, too. Weren’t the plants you eat alive at some point?
May 11, 2013 @ 07:26:05
I totally agree with you Jolene. I am not a vegan, but after college I weighed 83 KG. I returned to my mother’s house because it didn’t make sense for me to rent a place for four months in between. My mother is a vegetarian so I adapted to not eating meat for that time. I didn’t go out either so I really just never ate meat in those 4 months. However, I quit my diet and I was eating (in moderation but still) waffels, crepes, chocolate,… whatever was offered because being in Belgium for 4 months, I was not going to refuse. In three months I lost 12 KG that I never put back on! When I moved, I reduced my meat intake first by once a week, then by once a month and finally, after seeing earthlings, I stopped eating meat.
I wish I were a vegan, but as with all vegetarians thinking about a cross-over, I just can’t fathom not eating cheese ever in my life. However, I take care that the cheese and eggs I eat are organic, because in Europe, it makes a considerable difference to the animal’s living condition.
That being said, I am EXTREMELY aware of how beneficial to health veganism is in the long run. Human bodies are not supposed to process cow milk, that’s why, when we are born, we are given human milk (breast milk) because that is what is natural for us to process. Furthermore, in regards to cancer, it has been proven by several medical studies that milk actually feeds the cancer and meat promotes it, that’s why when my aunt was diagnosed with cancer, the first thing the doc told her to do was stop meat and milk. If you don’t feed it and you don’t create a friendly environment for cells to reproduce, you’re not really giving the cancer a fighting chance.
As to what you’re saying about energy, I know everyone is fighting you on that but I get it too. Not so much the energy of death, but the pain and the misery. I know it’s not proven scientifically, and it doesn’t affect everyone, but you keep stuffing that sausage hole with meat that comes from animals living a lifetime of suffering, and that misery catches up with you. Stress affects our entire body, our muscles, our blood, our health, and it affects the animals in the same way. It’s safe to say that when some bastard is shoving a pitch fork in some cow’s vagina for his mere entertainment or cutting off the nose of a pig, that animal is undergoing some extreme stress that affects his/her whole body. And you’re eating that.
In summary, I never try to get anyone off meat. I even think it’s great people don’t talk about how much the hormones in the meat are making people obese, or how much the medicine in the meat is making people resistant to their own drugs or how many people it kills off. Because at the end of the day, I am an environmentalist. And it is in the environment’s best interest to have as many people die off as possible, because this planet is overpopulated. So if you wanna eat meat, do, if you wanna smoke, do, if you wanna do drugs, please do. But don’t come here claiming it’s healthy and try to discourage people from making a healthier choice in their life, that’s irresponsible!
Sep 11, 2012 @ 16:32:58
Veganism prevents certain types of cancers and there has never been any recorded vegan suffering from obesity or diabetes after becoming vegan. In fact many people diagnosed with cancer and other illnesses that can be caused by dietary problems often chose to become vegan in order to be healthier and able to fight off disease. Vegans don’t only eat fruits and vegetables, that is a common misconception. We eat oreos, cake, chips, and many more types of fatty food, so not getting enough fat in a vegan diet is no excuse to not be a vegan. The statistics in this article a proven wrong by the china study. Remember the definition of a vegan is someone who doesn’t eat any animal products such as eggs, milk, honey, meat, Red 40 and so on.You should learn to not contradict yourself Lori, you stated you can’t be a vegan/vegetarian because they turn into junkatarians (eating lots of FAT and junk food) then you stated that vegans don’t get enough fat in their system. I am a vegan and I can assure you that we most certainly do get enough fat into our systems, but we also get our proper vitamins. For example to get the B-12 vitamin that you stated vegans take supplements for because it’s mainly found in animals, but actually can be found in yeast extract, soy milk, breakfast cereal and ect. I completely disagree and slaughtering animals and constantly forcing bulls to impregnate cows to produce milk and milk products is completely morally incorrect. Nobody would do that to a human because humans can defend themselves with words unlike our intelligent animal friends. Also a third of the worlds energy resources is wasted Now i’m going to eat my quinoa (a complete carb and protein) along with a delicious and nutritious fruit salad followed by a guilty pleasure of two brownies from the all vegan sticky fingers bakery (all fat and vitamins needed). I will be healthy for years to come because of my balanced vegan diet.
Sep 11, 2012 @ 20:03:15
I agree. I am a vegan. People always tell me that ia dont get enough protein are fats. I am a teenager so I am growing alot and I have gained a very healthy amount of weight. Besides when your are eating animals, there are alot of unhealthy fats and other substances that sit in your stomach for years because your body cant digest them. Veganism and vegetarianism all lower your risk of cancer, diabetes, and cardiac disease, and obesity. Ever since i have become a vegan I feel more energized, Im not tired after I eat, my skin isnt as oily, and my digestive system just feels alot more clean.
Sep 26, 2012 @ 23:17:24
Mike, did you know that your body can’t digest raw vegetables properly. These fats are actually digestible because the structure is different from a plant cell structure. The plant cell structure is strong, while fat is weak, so it’s more digestible.
Oct 12, 2012 @ 22:36:46
raw veges and fruits are more digestible because the enzymes break the food down silly
May 05, 2013 @ 12:12:21
Kimbo, fruits and vegetables contain cellulose and humans cannot digest that. Until we are able to fully digest cellulose, then we will never be getting full nutrients from plant matter. Plant matter also passes through our digestive tract too quickly to be broken down fully.
Sep 13, 2012 @ 14:12:01
“there has never been any recorded vegan suffering from obesity or diabetes after becoming vegan”? I would love to know where you got the facts to make that statement. Obesity and diabetes can be caused by many factors, including fat, calorie and sugar intake as well as congenital and genetic dispositions. None of those are connected to eating meat. I personally know and work with a diabetic who has been a vegan for 20 years and a diabetic for 3 years. 17 years of vegan diet did not prevent the diabetes, so you may want to back up your statements with some real scientific facts. Too may people just swallow what the “experts” in the field of interest tell them without checking it themselves.
Sep 14, 2012 @ 01:11:13
Vegans don’t need “facts” – they have their dogma.
They believe “The China Study” (The Book) is the same as the study… when it’s not. The book is NOT peer-reviewed. The Book is basically written with cherry-picked data to support Campbell’s animal-activist agenda. It omits entire counties worth of data, and only 39 of the pages are devoted to the actual study … the rest is off studies on rats, mice, etc., which are NOT humans.
Also, the actual study didn’t come to any of the conclusions Campbell’s book does…
But the dogmatic and brainwashed simply cannot admit that.
Dec 19, 2012 @ 23:40:45
Aloha to all,
We all live in this world together for a VERY short period of time. I have been a Vegan for six years now and feel really good. My Doctor said, based on blood work and blood pressure, that I am the healthyist patient he has seen. I am sixty years old, play tennis six days a week along with Zumba classes, walking, riding bikes, or hiking I find no problem with energy.
We need to live in peace, give people a break, eat what is right for you, and move on in life. Mahalo for listening
Jan 23, 2013 @ 22:53:34
I like your way of thinking C:
Dec 24, 2012 @ 01:48:25
Wow, another mention of China Study…. which was a good documentary, but incomplete in many obvious areas and too inaccurate to rely on it for your reason for diet. Methylation and genetics are a kety factor in why people survive and THRIVE on different diets. They key is also OPTIMAL Diet and THRIVING with more energy and vitality, not just surviving. Most vegetarians / vegans I’ve known were obese (too many carbs, too many nuts (high omega 6 pufa) and junk food) If it works for you, more power to you. But, to say it’s for everyone is incorrect.
Feb 06, 2013 @ 00:41:11
Vegan diet done correctly has more nutrtion in than any other diet on the planet for humans. People who tell you otherwise don’t know what they’re talking about. And should stop telling lies. And giving out disinformation. And instead of panicing they should start growing more fruit and veg! Check out nutritionfacts . org – they explain about what is healthy!
Meat causes heart problems and cancer and is the most toxic food on the planet for human beings after dairy. Please stop eating dangerous food!
Feb 21, 2013 @ 05:30:42
Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian…we all know how “right” he thought he was…..sheesh!
May 05, 2013 @ 12:14:19
Reposting the same comment over and over only makes you look like an ass. Stop it.
May 03, 2013 @ 12:36:24
A recent study reported that nuts do not contribute to obesity, no matter how many one eats.
Jan 29, 2013 @ 17:04:29
http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2012/08/vegans-and-cancer-china-study-2/
Nov 20, 2012 @ 20:17:14
I have to agree with what some people are saying, if you are going to eat animal products, it needs to be dramatically less than what the standard American diet (and the heavily industry influenced food pyramid) entails. That said, there are benefits to eating small amounts of these products. I am a vegan for solely moral reasons, and I like that you made the distinction that this is perfectly acceptable. In the pursuit of what I FEEL is right, I am willing to give up some health. I would not eat a chicken until I am allowed to raise it (I live in a city.) Then if I could really bring myself to take it out back, wring it’s neck, de-beak it, pluck it’s feathers etc… then i could eat it. but I doubt I or many people who eat at KFC could really do that!
I decided to stop eating packaged foods for my HEALTH. When I told a friend I was becoming a vegan she chimed “well, McDonald’s fries are vegan!” Being vegan doesn’t automatically equal health!!!
I think what you eat is very personal and don’t tell anyone what to do, it is their body, not mine. I do hope to someday see the food pyramid changed and less meat/egg/dairy consumption because those poor animals really are living in hell at these giant factory farms. I honestly respect my friends and colleagues who eat sustainable dairy and meat because they are supporting farmers who care (more) about animal welfare. I don’t expect anyone to give up these products, to some it’s just the circel of life, but the unnecessary suffering, hormones, and antibiotics are all more than good reasons to think about who you’re buying from.
But…DON’T JUST GO TO WHOLE FOODS AND ASSUME IT’S ALL GOOD! I’VE LOOKED INTO THESE BRANDS (even personally emailed them about their practices!) AND THEY ARE NOT WHAT THEY PROJECT LIKE 50% OF THE TIME!
ok, rant over :)
Nov 26, 2012 @ 14:54:16
I was a Vegan for four years. 3 1/2 horrible years. The first six months were great as my body detoxed. Then all Hell broke loose. I became weak, pale and generally hard to be around. After years of denial and torture, I weaned myself back to a sensible omnivore diet. I am now happy and healthy. I have more friends now too, and some of them are almost normal.
Feb 21, 2013 @ 05:34:11
Love it! I have friends who went either Vegetarian or Vegan 20+ years ago….. why is it that they are all ill now with blood sugar issues and yet i am not?…I just shake my head as they were warning ME about MY diet X)
May 03, 2013 @ 12:40:50
I know scads of people who eat a vegan diet and they are not having health problems or blood sugar issues. I think you exaggerate.
Mar 23, 2013 @ 14:31:43
I’d be interested to know your blood type. Apparently O’s need to eat meat while B’s can be vegetarians. Not that I take credence in that diet but it is an enticing theory. I think diet comes down to the individual. I never hear about people experimenting on themselves, like being vegan for 6 months then going Paleo for 6 months and comparing solid science like blood work, and more subtle things like a diary of emotional health and physical symptoms. Boom! Problem solved.
Apr 12, 2013 @ 01:03:55
You probably were missing a lot of nutrients because you thought you could just cut out animal products and otherwise keep eating the same. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy. You need to eat a lot of dark green, leafy vegetables and raw seeds, which I think is something a lot of people neglect when they’re first starting out. No one is going to feel well on just carrots and kiwi, right? Also, imitation meats and cheeses are not healthy. Healthy vegans aren’t soy junkies. You maybe also weren’t getting enough b vitamins. Nutritional yeast and similar things should help a lot. Google “vegan sources of b12″ if you’re especially worried about that. It’s not difficult once you are properly educated and get the hang of it!
Dec 17, 2012 @ 03:42:36
I think it’S ok to have an opinion, but you really shouldn’t say that a vegan diet IS unhealthy in the long run – it can be! but it’s not a given fact!! For example, I know a vegan woman that it over 80 years old and she is a vegan for almost 60 years now!!! And compared to many people the same age, she is in a perfectly good health condition. Therefore it’s okay to have a opinion about something, but you really should not point it out as the one and only fact! There are unhealthy vegans, but there are probably even more unhealthy meat eaters.
ps ALbert Einstein most certainly also a vegan as well as Darwin and some other genius .. I don’T want to say that vegans are smarter than the rest, I only want to say: “What the hell is n”normal” supposed to mean?! Sometimes acting different can really make a difference!
Feb 21, 2013 @ 05:41:01
Albert Einstein was a VEGETARIAN…towards the END of his life…hmmmm
There is no suggestion that Darwin was a vegetarian – though unfortunately he appears on lists of ‘famous vegetarians’ on various websites. again.. hmmmm
Also….dont forget about hitler X)
Jan 09, 2013 @ 15:07:18
I am writing this posthumously. My rigorous Vegan diet caused health problems that my previously healthy body could not cope with. RIP to me.
Feb 06, 2013 @ 00:33:39
Vegan diet done correctly has more nutrtion in than any other diet on the planet for humans. People who tell you otherwise don’t know what they’re talking about. And should stop telling lies. And giving out disinformation. And instead of panicing they should start growing more fruit and veg! Check out nutritionfacts . org – they explain about what is healthy!
Feb 21, 2013 @ 08:08:25
getting tired of reading this spam of stephen….so ill hit him and all the other diet nazis with this:
“ Do you know that your Führer is a vegetarian, and that he does not eat meat because of his general attitude toward life and his love for the world of animals? Do you know that your Führer is an exemplary friend of animals, and even as a chancellor, he is not separated from the animals he has kept for years?…The Führer is an ardent opponent of any torture of animals, in particular vivisection, and has declared to terminate those conditions…thus fulfilling his role as the savior of animals, from continuous and nameless torments and pain. ”
—Neugeist/Die Weisse Fahne (German magazine of the New Thought movement)[
no im not sympathetic to hitler….my family sent guys over to fight the nazis like most canadian families did…..
and i really am tired of the superiority expressed by the vegans towards people with a “normal” diet….. we are designed to eat as omnivores at varying degrees to one end (meat dominant-lots of fatty meats) and (meat supplemented-small amounts of fish and poultry)….and this? drum roll please? IS BASED ON GENETICS not social trends…
think about it while you drink your imported chai tea
the studies on food culture point very strongly to a tendency in the body to crave what your genetic ancestors sustained themselves on (with an interesting zest for what they didnt get much of IE:east indian foods being popular in scotland…so the Scots body may crave and need oatmeal,turnips and mutton BUT he/she will quickly fall in love with the more exotic flavours….going with the trends usualy arent healthy tho)…
many vegans simply would not even be alive today if their ancestors didnt eat meat at all…and i would bank on it that no where in the world is there a single village that has been vegan for the last 200000 years. feel free to debunk that….but dont give me some imaginary place that died of starvation 199999 years ago X)
with genetics in mind….. take an example from cultures in the extreme north….no crops of any kind….anywhere..for thousands of years..so these people have genes that make it easier to extract the nutrients contained in plants…FROM THE FATTY TISSUES OF ANIMALS…pishaw all you like vegans…but till you see a bunch of kids eating animal blubber like it was candy you cant tell me its wrong….and hmmmm no obesity..on an almost all animal diet ..go figure…
now….the closer you get to the equator(not counting deserts….ummm whos people also cant live as vegans) the more the none meat foods come into dominance too the point of needing far less fatty proteins …oddly enough….still no exclusive Vegan cultures….not even in the very few places where everything needed is present to support a vegan diet…but…you will indeed find less need for meat…
to say that genetics can be denied is to say it was perfectly OK for micheal Jackson to mutilate his own self to look more white…or what ever crazy notion he had….to me? that is what some of you are doing with your dietary health……
many people get peircings and tattoos….ignoring the health risks…..i wonder how many of them are also vegans??? *COUGHS* i see lots of these people drinking LATTES(hello? thats got milk in it) at coffee houses wrinkling they noses cause im eating a cheese and bacon scone with my mundane coffee…. again…trendy is not allways healthy :P…. i also see them later in the hospital i work in when one of these trendy self mutilations gets grossly infected )
all that being said? i will leave this discussion with my personal thoughts and feelings…
1)I believe we are omnivores… i need not post a link to support this….
however….I DO feel, with the exception of those living and recently decended from regions where crop growth was nil, that most of us eat a fair amount more meat than we actualy need…..a big juicy 12 ounce steak may be tasty as hell…. but could also be trimmed up and sliced down to add to a bombin stir fry…enough meat for a family of four when done properly….
2)there is actualy a fair bit less “waste” on foodmeat production than people think….nearly every bit of a cow/pig/chicken whatever is used to make actual food for human or pet consumption (yes vegans….if we stop farming animals for food your pet cats and dogs will indeed starve) what dosnt get used for food gets added too the vast amounts of compost vegetables generate before being food ready and indeed…helps it become soil faster (circle of life…lol)….I feel both vegans and omnivores have good points and omnivores are making more effort to comprimise…..
3)the health risks of steady diets of grains,cornmeal,legumes and raw veggies are becoming more evident…..grains spike insulin levels and put the body in fat storage mode(genetics..remember?) , cornmeal causes some really nasty digestive cancers…any one up for anal cancer? ,in short….we havnt been grain farmers nearly as long as omnivores…..most legumes simply cant be eaten in an unprepared form at all(so same as meat there) and most raw veggies are digestive system struggles with….cmon folks….you can see corn in ya poop..and thats cooked….. here i do feel no food should be left out….but when you have too much of any one as a staple food its simply bad…its as much about a varied diet as a balanced one..
4)obesity comes from over eating,little physical activity and ignorance…..i dont mean the kind of ignorance that comes with being an asshole…no i mean the kind that comes from not knowing or refusing valid info…… its easily cured (in most cases).
i EAT..ok…i EAT a fricken lot…i go to a smorg and the owners face goes pale….
i eat what i want/crave….and a lot of it! not once do i ever worry and count calories……what do i do ? do i work out? not a bit…i used to….i simply dont stop moving..and i look at any physical demands as a chalenge and do it for fun and to feel younger….some would say my ideal height/wieght ratio is the direct reflection on my health? im 5’10.5 ft tall,aprox 170 lbs…exactly where i should be….i eat like a horse and work hard..balanced diet according to the canadian food guide….hmmmmmmmmm…..my “feeling” here…same as i told a guy who was worried he was ruining his life with being an alchoholic : “guy walks into a doctors office and says doc! it hurts when i do dis!” i responded with….well den stop doin dat!”
listen too your body ffs! recognize the difference between doritos for pleasure and meat for need ;)
5) and final…… GOD DAMNIT! all you are a bit right and mostly wrong!…i mean both sides! how? cause you are both biased…..the vegans are actualy on attack mode…despite the nature of this blog….and the omnivores are too defensive! and need to be like i was 20 years ago…..they(the vegans) said “you’ll see!”..indeed i have…..my health issues didnt change…..theirs got worse…..i been hearing both sides for longer than some on both been alive….hey…to the omnivores….dont let these twits stress you out…..to the vegans? when the meat runs out? we be eatin you…..nothing personal……its just the smart animal thin to do……
May 03, 2013 @ 12:52:40
Michael Jackson did not make his skin white. It is a condition that happens to some dark skinned people.
Lattes can be made with almond, soy or rice “milk”. Do you know what was in the lattes that your vegans (“these people”) were drinking?
May 05, 2013 @ 12:20:55
Barbara, you are wrong. Intaglio (that’s what the disease you are thinking of is called) causes blotches on the skin, it does not cause the whole body to go white. MJ had his skin lightened.
Mar 16, 2013 @ 22:02:57
If you wish to believe this then that is your choice but please do not mislead and misinform others. I would love for you to compare some blood test results of a vegan and a meat eater and see who is healthier. I’ve never heard of a vegan dying of a heart attack or high cholesterol, have you? And actually, the vitamin B12 is found naturally in the soil and that is why it is found in a cows milk, because they eat the soil with the grass. If we simply would eat fresh organic vegetables from the soil then we would also have this vitamin. I have been vegan for a year and am not B12 deficient, nor am I deficient in any other vitamin. Animal fats are not healthy for you, and it’s a shame that your telling people otherwise. Meat takes up to THREE days for your body to digest it, so clearly it puts strain on our digestive tracts and is hard to digest. Also, did you ever stop and ask yourself why all other carnivors or omnivores eat their meat raw, and can still eat it when it’s old or rotting with out getting sick? Humans are not able to do this, and no one would ever want to because it’s not in our natural instincts. If your saying that we are made to eat meat, then why don’t we hunt animals with our bare hands and rip then open with our teeth to eat like other meat eaters? Because it is not in our nature.
Mar 29, 2013 @ 21:19:24
B12 supply stored in liver is up to 3 years. I think you might need to supplement in time, but wait to see what happens. I’m a vegan for ethical reasons, but I respect any other diets.
Apr 13, 2013 @ 16:00:00
Really this is all symantics to me, plenty of things are unhealthy and I’ve chosen to do them anyway. It’s a lifestyle choice about animal welfare not health. Most vegans are not vegan because its healthy, being Vegan is about not participating in a cruel unethical world. The cruelty that people inflict on animals is the stuff of nightmares and shows how barbaric and unevolved we are. I would rather be unhealthy and happy knowing I do not give a penny towards cruelty.
Thinking you can eat meat and butter and that this does not cause suffering is absurd and just denial. What most non vegans don’t like is that veganism is a morally superior position to adopt on the issue of using animals as a commodity. Well get over it, it is!
If being healthy is your priority over compassion and society, that’s your choice but its shallow, sorry but thats a fact, not an opinion. Sacrificing some things are worth it. You can’t have dairy without cruelty
Apr 12, 2012 @ 12:39:52
Hi Lori, I always like reading about different opinions on this matter, so thank you for sharing your view. I didn’t read the book and the links that you share in this article, but I’m wondering about this: on one hand you say a vegan diet is not healthy but on the other hand t sounds like a vegan diet (not the junkfood kind) could actually be healthy, only if you add enough fats to your diet. Of course there is still the B12 problem, but it doesn’t mean that somebody would have to go back to a mainly meat and dairy diet for this right? I’m just being curious here :)
Apr 12, 2012 @ 15:18:43
Hi Franziska, I think the 2 biggest things to remember about any kind of diet are to eat real food and listen to your body. Certainly not everyone will require as much meat as others, but I do still believe that grass-fed, pastured beef, butter, etc. are incredibly nourishing and contain vital health-boosting, cancer-fighting, hormone-balancing nutrients. Even I don’t eat a ‘mainly’ meat & dairy diet, even though I know my body responds well to more protein. A wide variety of vegetables, fruits, nuts & seeds, clean protein, and healthy fats is essential!
Thanks for your comment and your curiosity :)
Feb 21, 2013 @ 08:11:21
lori…. i tink if we ever met i might like a hug! you are bang on hon
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Jul 30, 2012 @ 00:26:59
No, this article is painfully poorly researched. B12 is derived from bacteria. In a vegan diet, this means fermented vegan food, i.e. kombucha, nutritional yeast, tempeh, natto, etc. Sea vegetables also contain B12. Some people leave traces of dirt on their home grown vegetables for their B12.
Aug 09, 2012 @ 02:16:29
You’re totally right.
Aug 14, 2012 @ 22:21:27
NO! Look, I used to believe all of that crap too! I was vegan/vegetarian. It’s NOT TRUE! You’re treating this blogger as if she has no backup, no evidence. I’d like to see yours! You state all of this evidence, but don’t give the source! Please, whatever you do, if you have children, don’t believe that crap! If you want your children to thrive, you have to feed them the way humans were meant to eat, which includes meat products; at the very least consult a nutritionist! Eating other animals is a part of the circle of life. People are afraid of the cycle because it entails death. You cannot escape death; even by refraining from “eating death”. Mother nature has control over you, not the other way around! Humans need to stop trying to fight her and just accept the circle of life. The funny part is, so many vegetarians think they are doing just that. But, how can you be a vegetarian (not the natural human diet) and not believe yourself better than say, a lion? I cannot get into the depths of the philosophical meaning of morality, but I must say that a “holier than thou” attitude toward any living thing does not create peace for anyone or anything. If you can find ACTUAL, credible, scientific sources of evidence for your claims, then more power to you. But, if you fail to research it or base your research on biased evidence, then good luck on the path you have chosen. Perhaps you will find that in fact, this blogger is not so wrong in her assertions after all.
Feb 21, 2013 @ 08:12:53
dude…… just remember vegans will be food when crops die :P
Sep 06, 2012 @ 14:13:29
Yeah…that’s what I want to do…eat fu**ing dirt to get my vitamins and nutritional needs met. GROSS!!! Vegetarians are so deluded and screwed up in the head it’s not even funny. Most of them always look sick and emaciated.
Oct 09, 2012 @ 10:40:24
That’s not a fair assertion. I’m totally anti-vegan/vegitarian because I think it’s against the natural order of things. I also agree that it is not ecologically sustainable. However, I know PLENTY of vegans (personally and professionally) who are neither emaciated or sickly-looking.
Feb 21, 2013 @ 08:14:57
true hon……but i know plenty that ARE sickly…….after 20 years im feeding them a big portion of crow (with ketchup….im not heartless)
Feb 22, 2013 @ 04:59:44
Yes, Carl Lewis looked so sick and emaciated when he was winning Olympic golds and breaking world records (drug free, unlike his rivals of the time), just to name one of many top sportsmen and women who are vegan or vegetarian…
Not heartless? No? Your words certainly suggest otherwise…
Sep 26, 2012 @ 23:22:16
Actually the bacteria goes away on the products you’re talking about. It was also greatly researched too. I know my Grandpa who visited Guam said that the people there needed the meat in their diet. Though they ate cat, which in my opinion isn’t good for certain reasons, he said that they’re very healthy.
May 05, 2013 @ 12:23:13
Bacteria are part of the animal kingdom. B12 from bacteria is no different than milk from cows or honey from bees. It is still an animal product.
May 20, 2013 @ 04:35:41
Hahaha! Thanks for giving me a laugh at this hour in the morning! Bacteria are definitely not part of the animal kingdom. They’re prokaryotes. Animals are eukaryotes. I hope you weren’t serious, or are you trolling the vegans?
Sep 11, 2012 @ 16:35:50
A third of the worlds energy resources is wasted on shipping slaughtering and processing animals.
Oct 09, 2012 @ 10:43:41
Rubbish. What about the produce and grains that are harvested, processed, packaged and shipped throughout the globe?
Nov 03, 2012 @ 09:07:48
These grains are harvested, processed, and shipped in much larger quantities in order to feed live stock in the first place.
Mar 16, 2013 @ 22:08:32
Just replying to your question about B12. The vitamin is found naturally in the soil, and so if you eat fresh organic vegetables you won’t have a problem with this! Eating natural and healthy is key, not eating processed animal products.
May 05, 2013 @ 12:24:22
Just because something is in the soil does not mean it will appear in vegetables grown in that soil.
Apr 12, 2012 @ 13:11:27
I appreciate your guts for writing this! A vegan diet has its place to help nourish our bodies and get back on track if we’ve been relying on processed foods but it is not sustainable for the environment or our bodies. I absolutely agree with you that we are designed to eat animals to sustain ourselves but we need to be respectful and responsible with what we are given. Thank you for writing about this topic
Apr 12, 2012 @ 15:19:47
Thanks Kim! I love how you put that: “we are designed to eat animals to sustain ourselves, but we need to be respectful and responsible with what we’ve been given.” Right on!
Aug 11, 2012 @ 10:39:42
Lori, why do you comment only on the posts which “praise’ your article? And why do you tell people that they are right if they are not? We are not designed to eat meat! This is the best argument meat-eaters have and they stick to it like a bear to honey! Please, before you say things like that educate yourself (everyone)! I appreciate your article, but it has false info. And this is not fair towards vegans/ vegetarians.
Aug 11, 2012 @ 11:16:05
Hi Pola,
When someone says something kind to you about something you’ve written, don’t you want to say ‘thank you’? As far as responding to comments that oppose my viewpoint, it’s obvious that we don’t agree. I’m fine to agree to disagree and I have no interest in starting an argument. I do appreciate your comment though!
Aug 14, 2012 @ 22:27:56
Oh, so we’re not designed to eat meat? Please enlighten me. Are you a scientist on this matter? If not, I’d just like to point out that perhaps it is YOU who is sticking too closely to YOUR opinion! I’ve “educated” myself on BOTH sides of the story, and having been both a vegetarian and a vegan in the past, I think it is reasonable to say that I’m not uneducated on the matter. I’m a tad obsessive, and when I get into researching something, I REALLY do it! My interest in philosophy supports a strong sense of reasonable doubt with which I can find, make and justify arguments. Perhaps you should educate yourself. You should practice what you preach after all!
Aug 31, 2012 @ 16:38:44
We arent designed to eat meat, here is why
We have an enzyme in our saliva that breaks down carbohydrates, only herbivores have that.
Animal protien makes the blood acidic, and would kill us, so pur body takes calcium phosphate from your bones, the phosphate neutralizes it, and we pee out the calcium. We have canines for biting into hard fruits, and most herbivores have them. Also go kill a squirell and eat it raw (you dont get to cook it, other carnivores, and omnivores do not have fire to cook) and you’ll get sick. Our intenstines are the same length as herbivores, and omnivores/carnivores have super short intestines, to push through the animal flesh. Also put a small bunny and an apple in a room with a 3 year old, if he eats the bunny, and plays with the apple, youre right but humans contain 0% carnivorous instincts, no you didnt research
Sep 11, 2012 @ 12:29:30
@Mike – 2 billion years of evolutionary biology would beg to disagree with you.
May 05, 2013 @ 12:26:40
Mikewalt, our intestines are NOT the same length as herbivores. Our intestines are shorter. Our intestines would have to 3x longer than they are to even come close to being able to extract full nutrition from plant matter.
Sep 26, 2012 @ 23:27:13
Pola, there’s where you’re wrong, we were meant to eat meat. If you believe in the Bible, God gave us power over animals. Not to mention that God himself ate meat, well Jesus did. Why would animals be put on this earth if we weren’t suppose to use them as food?
Oct 01, 2012 @ 18:15:29
Bible basher says what?
Genesis 1:29
Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.”
Romans 14:21
It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause any man to stumble.
Daniel 1:11-16
Daniel then said to the guard whom the chief official had appointed over him: “Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see.” So he agreed to this and tested them for ten days. At the end of the ten days they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food. So the guard took away their meat and the wine they were to drink and gave them vegetables instead.
Acts 15: Do not eat the flesh of strangled animals.
Acts 18: 18 Paul says that he has taken a private vow. Many scholars believe it was the same vow taken by Samson.. a promise to God not to eat the flesh of innocent animals nor to cut his hair.
Proverbs 12:10 The righteous one is concerned for his beast.
Exodus 20: 13 Thou Shalt Not Kill
Hosea 2:28: I will make for you that day a covenant with the animals.
Genesis 6: Noah was commanded by God to provide vegetarian food in the ark for people and animals.
Oct 09, 2012 @ 11:25:52
Studies are one thing, but I take exception to selecting small snippits of scripture to suit your agenda.
How about taking this one in context?
Romans 14:20-22 > Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything IS INDEED CLEAN, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. It is good not to eat meat, or drink wine, or do anything that causes your brother to stumble…Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgement on himself for what he approves..
Further, the beginning of that chapter states (depending on the version you’re reading): “As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.” (Be also aware that the “meat” spoken of is in fact kreas, a Greek word to describe meat sacrificed to idols. This speaks more of love and spirituality than food allowances.)
Deuteronomy 14:1-29:
“These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, the deer, the gazelle, the roebuck, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope, and the mountain sheep. …”
Also, the original translation of Genesis 9:3 mentions that “…every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.” (For the person who talks about our need to cooking food being unnatural: we were instructed NOT to eat flesh with its life (blood). American Indians and may other native tribes globally eat/ate raw meat from animals who were just killed in an effort to take in/honor their spirit. I of course could not do this , because I lack the immunity since neither myself or my recent forefathers participated in this practice. In short don’t abstain from eating raw meat because I would die from it, (although I probably would) I abstain because it is not part of my culture/belief system.)
Oct 15, 2012 @ 18:21:29
We are designed to eat meat. All you have to do is look at our teeth to know that one. We also do not have multiple stomachs that most herbivores have to break down the cellulose that is found in plants. It is really not that hard to understand.
Nov 03, 2012 @ 09:23:36
Firstly, “designed”?
Secondly, Most herbivores to not have multiple stomachs, and if you compare our teeth to actual carnivores lets say a cat, you would quickly notice the difference.
Thirdly, our teeth go back millions of years in our evolutionary history, and do not seem to support your claims. Our premolars and molars show a pattern of vertical force that have been shown to most likely be related to chewing harder substances in times of open savanna ie. underground storage organs and nuts, whereas our canines in our earliest ancestors have facets and a space called the diastema to slice leafy plant material, that has gone away perhaps for meat eating, but more likely to to accommodate our vertical crushing opposed to grinding foods.
Lastly, I would love to see you take down another animal with your “fangs” and “claws”.
Aug 09, 2012 @ 12:22:24
I am curious in which way do you believe we are “designed to eat animals”?
Aug 21, 2012 @ 09:15:29
We are designed to eat meat. If you’ve ever studied prehistoric archaeology, you’d know that before farming was invented (roughly 30,000 years ago), anatomically modern humans had diets high in fats from meat, and were ‘hunter-gatherers’, who gained the bulk of their nutrition from said meat, and occasionally ate nuts, vegetables, and grains. If you tried to have a vegetarian diet in those conditions, you would likely die younger than your siblings, because meat was more available. Since this is the diet humans have been eating for around 200,000 years instead of 30,000 years, from an evolutionary perspective, it would make sense that our bodies would be better-equipped to process it, than to deprive ourselves of an evolutionarily favored staple. From a biological perspective, our brains actually require large amounts of saturated fat, and the best way to get those fats (and the best quality of those fats) is from grass-fed animals raised in somewhat natural conditions.
Sep 11, 2012 @ 07:15:19
Just because our ancestors ate meat to survive in harsh and scarce conditions does not mean that we still have to today. We are so technologically advanced now that meat and other animal products are not necessary to our survival. Enough products are available to ensure that anyone on a lifelong vegan diet can survive AND be healthy. That was obviously not the case 30,000 years ago. Everyone here seems to keep saying “a vegan diet is healthy, but needs saturated fat, which is available in vegan sources, but that’s just too inconvenient.” Come on. Meat has a lot of saturated fat, yes, but does that mean that we should give up on veganism all-together based on this reason alone? I don’t think so.
Sep 11, 2012 @ 12:44:55
@Lenore – The problem is that many Vegans are also animal-rights PETA-nazis. Simply surviving on a vegan diet is not enough for them. Proselytizing is not enough for them. They want legislative changes to eliminate animal products from the market altogether based on their personal “ethics.” The problem is that the science doesn’t support veganism being healthier. For some, including children and the elderly, it can be quite harmful (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html). No one is saying that everyone should give up on Veganism. Lori is simply stating that Veganism is not healthy for most people over a long period of time.
Personally, I don’t really care whether someone wants to be vegan, raw vegan, vegetarian, ovo-lacto, or omnivorous. You have the right to make that choice. Just respect the right of other people to choose a diet with animal products.
Sep 21, 2012 @ 09:01:10
And those hunter/gatherers (with the emphasis on hunter) had much shorter lifespans than we do now.
Sep 21, 2012 @ 09:07:16
And those hunter/gatherers (with the emphasis on hunter) had much shorter lifespans than we do now.
And in response to Vulpesrex link about the ‘vegan’ baby dying, how meaning meat eating parents have been responsible for the malnutrition deaths of their children? One incident does not constitute proof that a vegan diet is harmful to children. Any so called ‘diet’ can be harmful to children if it isn’t balanced. Look at the epidemic of obesity among children. Quite possibly, every one of them is from a meat eating family. According to your method of determination, that far outweighs the harmfulness of a vegan diet.
Oct 09, 2012 @ 11:39:35
And the fallacies in these arguments continue. Is the fact that we have longer lifespans due to dietary differences, advances in medicine, or a combination of both? You can’t say that because they ate meat and had shorter lifespans, then therefore meat must be bad for you (or vice versa). There are too many factors to draw this conclusion.
Also, I don’t think Vulpesrex was saying that the vagan diet is harmful to children. What I gathered is exactly what you said, it shouldn’t be FORCED on anyone since it can actually be harmful to some people (depending on the situation and circumstances) like any other diet. The point is not to force your way of thinking down anyone’s throat as the “HEALTHIER” choice.
Dec 13, 2012 @ 23:07:16
Response to VulpesRex. feeding a 6week old baby Soy milk and aplle juice isin’t VEGAN, it’s just STUPID, the poor bastads were victims, their baby died, they should have been informed and educated and a message sent to others.
May 05, 2013 @ 12:32:30
And those hunter-gatherers also had to contend with sabre toothed tigers and other large predators with only sticks and stones to defend themselves with and had to climb trees to escape instead of having a secure home they could go to to hide and had no medicine to heal injuries or cure diseases. You’d die young under those conditions, too.
Oct 12, 2012 @ 22:59:46
evolution, means we’ve changed
May 05, 2013 @ 13:14:25
There’s no proof of evolution.
Feb 23, 2013 @ 22:51:49
The reasons why humans evolved is because they started eating meat.
May 07, 2013 @ 20:16:12
Rachel,
You obviously do not understand evolution if you can make such a general statement to claim it was sparked by one thing such as meat. Yes, there still are some cultures (inuits) who need the amount of fats animals can provide without the ability to cultivate crops but to make such a claim is idiotic and offensive to someone who studied science and who’s degree is in science. Please stop feeding other idiots lies. thanks
Feb 28, 2013 @ 23:39:59
No we don’t take animals down with our teeth because we are tool users. That’s what our hands are for. A Lion cannot throw a spear that’s why he has protruding canines. We don’t have squirrel buck-teeth incisors either do we? Probably because we don’t crouch down next to plants and eat them straight out of the ground with our teeth.
We are omnivores, designed to eat BOTH meat and vegetables!
The fact that vegans need to create websites/ books with lengthy explanations of how to eat vegan properly, how to balance your diet, how to combine certain vegetables together, how to take supplements, how to do it all properly, how to mix the right foods, proves that it’s not natural.
I’m sure that you could survive on meat alone if you were taught how to do it properly – don’t cook it, serve it raw, eat this bit, don’t eat that bit… blah. blah.
No one needs to teach an omnivore how to eat or what to eat. We do what comes naturally! Veganism is not natural and not normal.
May 07, 2013 @ 20:13:38
Kim,
What research (obviously none) has you done to make a statement as a vegan diet not being sustainable for the environment? If you understood the amount of land dedicated to producing beef, the fact they we feed animals that we eat more than humans (we have well-fed cows while millions starve everyday). Please take some time to research and learn something about the effects of consuming animals on our environment. And Lori, what is your expertise that you can make such a claim?
Apr 12, 2012 @ 14:34:27
Interesting perspective, but just to play devils advocate how do you handle the research that says the opposite from Weston A. Price? I am not a vegan, but I have decreased my intake of saturated fat and animal products to reduce cancer risk.
Here is some of the research: http://www.cancerproject.org/survival/cancer_facts/meat.php
I have a anti-cancer food blog called Connoisseur 4 The cure @ http://www.connoisseur4thecure.com.
May 03, 2012 @ 00:46:22
I am curious about this as well… after reading The China Study and watching Forks Over Knives, I stopped eating meat and dairy (with the exception of occasional seafood… I don’t consider myself a vegan because of this) and have been eating a whole foods, plant-based diet — cancer runs in my family and if I can prevent it, I will. I must say, I feel great. I wasn’t eating much processed food beforehand either. The biggest change I noticed was my skin — I’ve had acne forever and I’m convinced that eliminating dairy has cleared me up.
Sep 26, 2012 @ 23:34:45
Actually the fact that you’re only eating certain foods did it. The dairy didn’t cause the acne, it’s some of the grease from greasy foods that cause it. If you were to eat just baked turkey breast for a year then you would still notice no acne. It’s hamburgers and fried chicken that can cause that.
Sep 06, 2012 @ 20:35:54
I was a vegetarian most of my life and have been a vegan for a long time. I don’t remember the last time I had a cold (I think in 2000, after returning from an overseas trip). I’m neither sickly nor emaciated. I do, however, have ideal blood panels, low blood pressure, and overall perfect health (I’m in my mid 40s). To say that being vegan equals eating junk food without dairy, eggs or meat sounds a little, well, dense (sorry). This is called simply a “bad diet”. And to those praising the paleo type diets: here is a news’ flash for you. People evolve, and so do metabolisms, digestive systems and environmental conditions and influences. Fact: humans (the ones living in the 21st century) do not need to eat animal protein or fat to be healthy. And neither our digestive system (length of our intestines), nor our teeth are those of carnivores. If you want to have your steak and eat it too, be my guest. But don’t write nonsense about diets you obviously have a very distorted and uneducated view about. And this has nothing to with “agreeing to disagree”.
Sep 26, 2012 @ 23:37:21
So you’re saying if we can cut out meat, then we can cut out food altogether. If we can take supplements for meat, we can take supplements for vegetables too. So you’re stating that we shouldn’t eat meat, and now I’m saying we shouldn’t eat vegetables either. We should go without eating and only use supplements. Your theory is incorrect.
Plus we can’t digest raw vegetables.
Sep 26, 2012 @ 23:37:53
Theory*.
May 07, 2013 @ 20:21:11
Dylan,
Your rebuttal on not needing to eat vegetables due to their inability to be digested resides in some fallacy you invented in an idiots brain. What science do you even understand, nevermind, none.
Sep 14, 2012 @ 01:15:33
You realize “The Cancer Project” is simply a PETA-sponsored off-shoot, right? It’s part of the PCRM – which was started by Neal Barnard, a non-practicing psychiatrist who is an animal-activist PETA-member, has been on several PETA-boards, shares office space with PETA, has PETA employees and is funded in-part by PETA and in-part by their brainwashed minions, right?
Their “science” is biased and in many cases, simply wrong.
Apr 12, 2012 @ 17:47:09
I think any way that you eat can either be healthy or unhealthy. Given the abundance of evidence showing how much healthier a vegan diet (done correctly) is to a diet containing animal based foods, I don’t think you’re correct in your statement that a vegan diet is not healthy.
I’ve been a vegan for over 15 years now. I’ve never felt better, had more energy, or looked better. I can’t tell you the number of people that have gone vegan because of the example I have set.
I believe once more people are vegan, and eating the proper way (not a junk food vegan diet) we’ll have more proof that vegans live longer and are healthier all around. I think those people that go vegan and “deteriorate” aren’t eating properly, just like the millions of people on this earth that are in the hospital fighting a disease, take more than one medication to keep them alive, have heart transplants, die prematurely, etc. Look at our nation and its health statistics alone and tell me eating animal based products are the way to go.
I’m sorry, but in the long run, you will be eating your words (or a plant based diet to ensure your survival).
Apr 13, 2012 @ 10:02:58
Marie,
I whole heartedly agree with you. After watching Forks Over Knives and reading Engine 2, I decided to take my health into my own hands. I suffered from extreme chronic fatigue and chronic headaches. Since eliminating dairy and meat, I feel like a completely different person. To not wake up with a pounding heardache and having the energy to keep up with my children is absolutely wonderful.
Different ways of eating may not work for every person, but plant strong is the best for me :)
Apr 13, 2012 @ 22:04:10
E.W. & Marie, Thanks for your comments! I truly am glad to hear that you have more energy and have gotten rid of migraines. More plants and less junk is a fantastic thing! But I am curious – what kind of meat and dairy were you consuming before you eliminated them completely from your diet? Conventional CAFO beef and pasteurized skim milk? I ask because those ‘foods’ have a vastly different nutritional profile than grass-fed, pastured beef and raw whole milk. Those foods are incredibly nourishing and actually aid your body in absorbing vitamins and minerals from fruits and vegetables.
Also wondering – as a vegan, do you supplement with B12?
Apr 15, 2012 @ 10:40:40
Hi Lori,
I was eating organic grass-fed beef, chicken, eggs, raw milk, and butter from a couple of local farms near me. I wasn’t eating the SAD. I do take a vitamin b12 supplement.
I didn’t mean to imply that your way of eating is wrong. It simply wasn’t working for me, though my DH thrives eating the same as you.
Thank you for your blog posts. I do enjoy reading them :)
Sep 17, 2012 @ 14:33:49
Hello E.W
I was reading your comment about migraines. I had a strange situation a couple of years ago where I developed an allergy to dairy protein (so a good quality cream or butter was fine). These migraines were so bad that I would temp lose my vision. I had to cut out ALL dairy from my diet…very sad, but not only did my migraines disappear, my skin cleared as well. To make matters even more strange…..a year later, my allergy disappeared and now I can eat all the dairy I want. Not sure what the dealio was…perhaps my stress in my life at the time made my body freak out. It would be interesting to see if you have created an allergy? Either way, glad your migraines disappeared…they are painful
Nov 01, 2012 @ 15:14:41
Hi Lori,
You probably know about the fact that diabetes is virtually incurable but … I would like you to watched the documentary “Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days:” These are the facts. And another similar document: “The Gerson Miracle” This is what vegan diet does. Simple, Take care
Apr 13, 2012 @ 15:51:03
Our country has replaced nourishing foods with battery eggs, hormone & antibiotic laced meats (who are fed corn & soy (both GMO crops) instead of grass) processed “convenience” foods, margarine, and an abundance of white flour & sugar.
Eating meat it not killing people. Nasty stuff that is not fit for human consumption is killing people.
If people knew better and demanded better, veganism wouldn’t be getting the attention that it does. But nobody is making money if America is healthy…
Nov 14, 2012 @ 16:26:24
Well said Karly!
Jan 23, 2013 @ 23:09:56
Well. Said. Ms.k
Aug 09, 2012 @ 02:19:35
I couldn’t of said it better!
Aug 09, 2012 @ 03:13:33
This is so true Marie!
Apr 12, 2012 @ 18:08:42
What studies have you read in regards to a plant based life style that were not written by an omni?
Apr 12, 2012 @ 20:03:18
I think you have cherry-picked all the information to suit your point of view, and left out all the evidence of healthy vegans and of vegan diets being healthy/healthier than meat and dairy diets. Lots of people get sick, vegans and meat-eaters, so how can you pick on the vegans who get sick but not the meat-eaters? All the vegans i know who eat properly and do tgeir research are thriving, whereas the vegans who eat junk get sick. Eat healthily and you will have great health on a vegan diet, it all cones down to education on how to do this.
Apr 13, 2012 @ 15:42:16
There is a HUGE difference between “normal, american” meat eaters (who have cheesey puffs and instant mashed potatoes with their hormone & antibiotic laden burger (on white buns) and then have cake for dessert.) and meat eaters who seek out organic, grass-fed meats, eggs & milk.
HUGE difference…
Feb 28, 2013 @ 23:51:17
Why does anyone need education just to eat? I could survive on a diet of fresh air alone if I did my research. I could intravenously inject nutrients and live off a drip for the rest of my life if I studied it for long enough – that way I could survive by eating nothing at all.
Veganism is not natural and not normal. It requires research and study (and quite often artificial supplements) to get it right!
You shouldn’t need to be taught HOW to eat. I’m an omnivore. Nobody needs to tell me how to prepare and eat a bacon sandwich, nor a vegetable salad for that matter.
Apr 12, 2012 @ 20:34:05
Hi Lori,
Thanks for sharing your view. The world would be a boring place if we didn’t have differences of opinions :)
However, there is much evidence to the contrary of your argument (Dr Gabriel Cousen’s book Conscious Eating is a great book to read).
There’s also a long list of reasons I could write in favor of following a balanced vegan diet, however, the one thing that I really think needs to be brought up is the fact that it’s not right to eat another being. Animals not only have faces, but eyes that are windows to their beautiful souls. They also give birth, just as we do. They have offspring to which most of them bond. It’s a known fact that cows cry out in horror as their calves are ripped away from them. Animals certainly weren’t put on earth for human beings to treat like a smorgasbord, regardless of how they are “raised”.
It is fact we can not only survive, but thrive on a well-balanced vegan diet. I’ve been vegan for five years, eating extremely healthily and have never felt more vibrant and alive. More than that, I can sleep at night and walk the earth knowing I have done nothing to harm another being. It’s an enlightened, lovely way to live.
There will always be arguments for an against in regards to what is best health wise, but first and foremost we should be considering our fellow earthlings and that it’s simply not right to kill another being. We simply don’t need to do it to survive and thrive.
I appreciate your insights and your beautiful blog. Sending you lots of blessings x
Apr 13, 2012 @ 15:37:25
I understand that people love animals… so do I! But I also believe that they’re here to provide us food. (And shouldn’t be raised in battery cages.)
I don’t think ancient man had tofu, veggie burgers, or almond milk…
Aug 09, 2012 @ 02:35:23
And ancient man didn’t have computers or mobile phones like what we’re using to communicate with right now. They didn’t have things like medicine either. Medicine/science has obviously saved many lives. We learned it over time. My how we have evolved! Now we have learned how to let food be our medicine again and embrace a vegan diet.
Apr 14, 2012 @ 10:22:10
Done nothing to harm another being? Are you sure about that? I’m willing to bet that even you have swatted your fair share of mosquitoes in your life time. Aren’t insects beings? How about microorganisms? You can’t really avoid consuming bacteria and other microorganisms. And if they don’t count as beings, then how do you decide what is? They live, so do plants, so do insects. If insects don’t matter,would you eat lobster? Lobster are actually just aquatic insects. I’m just wondering what your classification of “being” is.
Jan 02, 2013 @ 19:23:09
Thanks for standing up for all precious animals!!
Apr 13, 2012 @ 15:31:40
It’s Fight Back Friday and I found the link to you! You know *I* think this is an awesome article. :)
There are always a few exceptions to every rule… so I do think there are a few people who may not do well on a Real Food diet… BUT they are few.
The science behind a traditional diet is well-founded and I REALLY doubt anyone on the “pro-vegan” side has delved into the info about “our side”, while the general population has vegetarian/vegan info thrown at them every time they turn around.
I have friends who are vegetarian/vegan and they are a bit over the top. They try to cook with NO fat at all! Not enough protein either. And one, while she is skinny, has a chronic migraine problem and her mom (who is also very skinny, but looks like her skin & hair are begging for some fat nutrients) just had hernia sugery. Not that those medical issues are necessarily directly related, I just have my suspicions.
Apr 13, 2012 @ 22:06:08
Karly, thanks so much for your input! Glad you found my site through Food Renegade and hope to connect with you more!
Apr 14, 2012 @ 04:13:56
Hi
I was wondering if a vegan can please explain to me why eating dairy from an animal that is well looked after in a loving environment is wrong?
And why eating a non fertilized chicken egg is wrong (provided the animals are well looked after I mean)
Im not having a go – just wondering the reasoning behind it.
Thankyou
Jul 14, 2012 @ 15:29:32
Hi Hanna,
I’ve been reading this post here and noticed no one answered your questions.
;) so here I will try with my own experience.
Dairy especially cow’s milk contains a protein that is not digested properly by humans and has a direct link with cancer.
It is pushed by the industry because beef and milk come from the same source so it’s ‘good business’ to push the sales on them.
Dairy is also linked to candida – a fungus in the body that is referred to as the ‘silent killer’ it can literally throw off your whole health off – misdirect the doctors and slowly kill you with many forms of illnesses…. in my case, I believe my rare neuromuscular autoimmune illness was a result of this.
If you must keep eating dairy, if it’s too much for you to part with and change your diet (although there are many amazing alternative products that are-non dairy and healthier). But if you must keep eating it – Kefir and natural full-fat yogourts (unsweetened and plain) check the ingredients – are the best. They are at least filled with beneficial probiotics and break down more easily than cow’s milk. Processed cheese – bad. Cream cheese – bad. And all must be organic.
About the eggs, eggs are fine but only 1 1/2 eggs contain the max cholesterol per day your body can handle + more foods contain cholesterol! Point being, people easily overdose without even realizing it! 4 eggs per week is max. Also, eggs are one of the top allergenic foods on the list – if anyone experiences a health problem/ gastrointestinal pain or discomfort – should remove eggs from their diet for a few weeks – then eat them in isolation and see if they have a reaction to them.
I am reversing my health through diet and am about 90% vegan, but eat wild salmon and some small fish. I got better and back to my own strength, from being unable to walk/ eat/ talk/ chew and swallow food – to being Normal! Thanks to the almost-vegan lifestyle.
You didn’t ask, but I don’t eat any meat because it’s hard on the digestive system and is highly acidic. A plant-based diet aids digestion and is highly alkaline and loaded in all the vitamins and fats your body needs.
And I get my B12 from Spirulina – a natural algae that grows in water!
*hugs*
Let me know if you have any more questions. xo
Ella
Sep 11, 2012 @ 07:27:52
Not to mention that female cows are violated against their will to create milk.
Like humans, female cows must be pregnant in order to produce milk. They don’t just produce it 24/7. They must be artificially inseminated by a very invasive sexual procedure, which is technically considered rape.
Once the cow gives birth to her calf, the calf is taken from her, striking her with feelings of grief and sadness, just as a human mother would. Most of the time, these calves are chained up into boxes and malnourished in order to create veal. Therefore, a milk-drinking vegetarian (as opposed to vegan) is still supporting the veal industry.
Dairy cows are forcefully impregnated, with their calves stolen from them, several times throughout their miserable lives. Sure, they can let the cow chew grass for a while or pat it on the head a few times and treat it “humanely” throughout this process, but what they are put through in order for you to drink their milk still stands as a 100% inhumane thing.
Sep 11, 2012 @ 13:00:34
@Lenore
My guess would be that you are a progressive-minded individual. AmIRight? You consider using animal products to be cruel and a violation of the “rights” of the animal? How about eating veal? Cruel as well? Would it make a difference to you if the calf was pulled from the mother’s womb before it was born? Can you say for certain that the mommy cow actually wanted the baby or the pregnancy in the first place? How do you know that the mother would be stricken with “grief and sadness”? Perhaps the mommy is relieved to have an unwanted intrusion out of her uterus.
People of your apparent political persuasion are among the most hypocritical people on the planet. Support abortion-on-demand and euthanasia, but oppose capital punishment or the use of animals for meat over “ethical” concerns.
Apr 14, 2012 @ 10:06:56
Hi Lori, loved this post! It rings true with my personal experience.
Info about vegetarian/vegan diets is abundant in our culture. As a result I think most people have a pretty good awareness of what that diet is. Real food omnivore diets however receive little to no coverage in the popular press. People have little to no understanding of what this diet is. Generally when people think they are comparing the two they are really comparing a well thought out vegetarian diet with SAD ( standard american diet ). They aren’t comparing with a real food diet.
Twenty years ago when I had my first realization that my SAD diet was making me sick I did my research (all books, this was pre-internet), heard the media’s take on diet and decided that a near vegan diet was the best possible diet. So I jumped in headfirst. I ate mostly legumes and whole grains. Very little fat, mostly olive and flax oil. No dairy at all, was reacting very badly to it. Meat was about 4-5 oz a week, and very lean. At first I felt great! Lost a lot of weight, allergies improved generally felt much better. But then I started to develop new problems. Also, some of the old issues came back with a vengeance. Maybe because my SAD diet was very, very bad prior to adopting this near vegetarian diet this all happened very quickly. The honeymoon lasted about 6 months.
Once the honeymoon was over I struggled on for about 3 years trying to get back to that good feeling, adjusting my diet here and there. Still continued to feel worse. Finally, I gave up and not knowing what else to do, adopted a modified version of the SAD diet, with the most egregious offenders eliminated. I still felt better than I did on my low-fat near vegan diet. Granted, this was not a true vegan diet, but it was very close.
So, while I think that a well thought out vegetarian diet is an improvement over SAD, I agree that it isn’t viable over the long haul. It did work well as a detox diet for me, and many people I’ve run across over the years. But I’ve yet to meet anyone who could stick with it longer than about 5 years. I know they are out there, and a some have posted here, but in my day to day life I’ve not found them.
Apr 16, 2012 @ 00:45:05
Great post, Lori. I agree. 100%.
I was actually a vegetarian (not a vegan) for eight years. I firmly believe that I felt and looked healthier after adding meat back into my diet. Others told me the same thing.
Apr 16, 2012 @ 13:12:07
I was vegan for several years. I studied nutrition in college with an emphasis on plant-based diets. T. Colin Campbell was my hero, right below Gandhi. I was definitely convinced that veganism was not only the healthiest diet for almost everyone but also the most ethical, socially conscious, and sustainable. I was a bit of an ass about it, actually. :)
I focused only on whole foods, soaked my grains and beans, ate tons of coconut oil, and consumed kale by the boatload, and still I ended up with several deficiencies (including non-existent vitamin D and inadequate B-12 levels despite daily supplementation and sunshine) and other health problems that could be directly linked to my years on a vegan diet.
Now I eat a diverse diet that includes the same amount of vegetables, but far less soy and grain, and plenty of grass-fed/pastured meat, dairy, and eggs. And, although I have plenty of healing ahead of me, I am slowly coming back to life.
Overall, I feel that I learned some profound lessons as a vegan, and I don’t necessarily regret it, until I’m confronting yet another issue that seems to stem from that choice. Then I wish I could go back and smack my younger self in the face for my ignorance and arrogance. I can’t believe how bad I let things get before I’d consider that I was doing something unhealthy. I fell asleep at stop lights and I still thought, “Veganism is awesome! It will save the world!” I just so badly wanted to believe it could be true.
I respect each person’s choices and try not to push my point of view or be dogmatic or zealous about anything, including my grass-fed meat. But I do think my experience is incredibly common.
Jan 18, 2013 @ 03:08:09
Chandelle, I noticed you said that you had experienced other health problems. Even though they could not linked directly, did any of these problems happen to affect your digestive tract? For example; did you experience any sort of gastrointestinal issues? This is obviously very personal, so I understand if you decide not to answer. I am a vegetarian. I recently transitioning toward a strict vegan diet, but have decided to continue to eat fish and a minimal amount of cheese (that are supposedly organic from pastured cows), and this would help me in my own personal research.
Jan 23, 2013 @ 23:20:31
But where would you find grass fed pstured meat and dairy
Apr 18, 2012 @ 10:36:14
Thanks Lori for the article, while I can respect and appreciate your point of view, I do agree with a previous commenter that I think it’s unfair to say a Vegan diet is unhealthy. New studies(funded my medicine, and not big business) are coming out daily showing the benefits of a whole foods, plant based diet vegan diet and now more mainstream info is available, such as Forks over Knives, The China Study, Engine 2, Food Matters, Hungry for Change, Eat to Live, No More Happy Cows, etc along with many medical professionals and scientists who are declaring the benefits of a WHOLE FOODS, PLANT BASED, Vegan diet. The problem as I see it is that Vegans have long been commited to eating Vegan based soley on animal rights. Which don’t get me wrong is a HUGE reason to eat Vegan. All the while consuming processed tofurky and soy sausage. These products are just as bad for you as processed meat sausage and turkey lunch meat. And I do agree with you, if you are going to eat chicken, beef, butter, etc. eat it from an organic, grass fed, pasture raised humanely treated local farm and eat it sparingly. We need to get rid of factory farming and pink slime! But to lump all Vegans into one category is wrong. Look at Rip Esselston an Ironman Triathlete, who makes an effort to eat a nutrional well rounded diet. Every person is different, but a whole foods, plant based vegan diet can be wildly successful long term.
Also, I believe many people “fail” at being vegan because we are programmed from big cattle companies and mainstream marketing to believe we NEED to eat meat, so alot of Vegans eat tofurky trying to get the same taste, instead of changing the way they live. And its these studies and examples you seem to be using as why Vegans are un-healthy. The same chemicals in those processed “vegan foods” are making people just as sick as a conventional hot dog.
And remember to our grandparents, animal products and dairy were luxuries, meant to be special and a treat which is why they were healthier than thier children and thier childrens children.
Apr 19, 2012 @ 13:06:12
And just a few interesting recent articles in regards to my post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/shattering-the-meat-myth_b_214390.html and http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/17/is-veganism-good-for-everyone/we-are-not-grizzly-bears
Apr 19, 2012 @ 19:39:30
The china study isnt good enough.
It is a dietry recall study. people lie or just forget to mention something that they have eaten.
There arent many proper nutritional studies as the cost too much. One on how sugar affects the body has just been done, they “locked” participants in an old hospital wing so they could moniter what they ate etc. This is the only way to get accurate readings of what has been eaten and how much exercise.
Apr 30, 2012 @ 14:40:14
I’m not promoting a vegan diet but red meat is a no-no, no matter where it comes from. Have you heard about Neu5Gc?
*Neu5gc = is a unique sugar which causes rapid cell turnover. We are the only mammal that doesn’t have this nutrient; we lost it 20,000 years ago. Other mammals need this nutrient for accelerated physical development (so they can walk/run a few hours after birth); however, they have a much shorter life span. Birds and reptiles and most fish (except for salmon) don’t have this nutrient. When we eat red meat and dairy we are ingesting neu5gc, thus increasing cell turnover which leads to inflammation, auto-immune conditions, tumors and cancer.
http://juvenon.com/jhj/vol8no3w.htm
http://www.terramadrefarms.com/article/neu5gc-molecular-insight-our-past-and-disease-processes
May 02, 2012 @ 14:38:57
That’s really interesting info Matthew. Thanks for sharing the link.
Granted, blueberries are acidic. And cancer cells thrive in an acidic environment. Does that mean I should never eat blueberries again?
The beauty of grass-fed, pastured beef (NOT CAFO beef from the supermarket, which is used in the majority of studies that indicate red meat causes cancer) is that it is also extremely high in CLA (conjugated linoleic acid), which is a powerful cancer fighter. I actually find it fascinating how holistic it all is.
We may not agree, but thanks for joining the conversation!
May 06, 2012 @ 23:12:31
Do you truly believe that consuming the breast milk of another species is more healthy than eating plant foods?
Cow breast milk is designed for baby cows, not humans. We are adults. We do not require breast milk.
Aug 09, 2012 @ 02:47:54
100% true!
Aug 21, 2012 @ 11:29:20
No, eating both breast milk of another species and plant foods is more healthy than exclusively either. Our bodies reveal. Live to perform and maintain healthfully.
May 07, 2012 @ 12:53:43
Great article, Lori. I’ve been a vegetarian for a number of years now and I’ve heard many arguments for why eating meat is more healthy. I’ve actually lived with a Paleo-dieter for the past year, so I totally understand the benefits of getting fat and protein from meat. I think for me, the one thing that kept coming up when I was reading your article, is that for most vegans and vegetarians, you can’t simply remove the moral argument from the health argument. It may or may not be the case that eating meat (good meat) might improve my diet. I feel that the improvement to my own physical health is not worth the guilt of killing animals. After not eating meat for a number of years, I actually look at a steak as just a dead cow, and am instantly turned off. It’s a shift in mentality. If you argument is that animals are here to nourish us, that is where we will come to an impasse. I think the more important thing that I will take away from your post, and your blog as a whole, is that it is important to pay attention to what we put in our bodies, understand how the food we eat works to fuel our system, and make sure that we are paying attention to what our bodies tell us about the food that we are eating.
Feb 06, 2013 @ 00:42:56
Vegan diet done correctly has more nutrtion in than any other diet on the planet for humans. People who tell you otherwise don’t know what they’re talking about. And should stop telling lies. And giving out disinformation. And instead of panicing they should start growing more fruit and veg! Check out nutritionfacts . org – they explain about what is healthy!
Meat causes heart problems and cancer and is the most toxic food on the planet for human beings after dairy. Please stop eating dangerous food!
Feb 23, 2013 @ 22:58:14
Your like a broken record
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May 21, 2012 @ 12:39:29
I couldn’t agree more!!!
(btw, you’re awesome! I need a BFF just like you! Unfortunately, girls like us are hard to come by!)
May 26, 2012 @ 23:55:40
I think so much of what is pushed as healthy eating is done so by people trying to sell a book, or push a product… for me the answer is a little less complicated and a little more ‘evolutionary’. A life changing (literally) moment was when I read Jane Goodall’s book ‘In the Shadow of Man’ and now I take a more ‘evolutionary’ approach to eating that is more about balance than anything else. When Jane Goodall went to live with the Chimpanzees, who are about 98% genetically identical to us, she discovered that Chimps actually eat meat. Her discovery was made when she witnessed some chimps ambush a wild pig and her babies, nabbed one of the babies and took it back up into the trees where they proceeded to eat it. If you have ever seen the graphically confronting David Attenborough documentary of a Chimp hunt then not only will you be convinced they eat meat but you will also see there is not of lot of grace, moral reflection, or ethical debate about it. Anyway… given that Chimps are one of our closest living relatives it is interesting to note how they eat and even use it as a model of how we should be eating ourselves. They don’t go reading books on nutrition, or have moral debates about whether they should or should not eat meat. They eat in a seasonal way, only rarely eat meat, in a way that allows them to be successful where and how they live… those are some pretty significant factors to take into account and I’m sure most people don’t realise how big this statement is, such is our detachment from the biological world and our attachment to the constructed world. They eat a variety of things when these foods are available and if the opportunity to eat meat presents itself then they do… eating meat is a difficult task for them; it’s hard work so it is more of an occassional thing instead of their staple diet. Jane Goodall documented Chimp ‘tribes’ eating meat up to once a week at times to supplement what they could collect or forage for though this was never in large helpings. This speaks volumes to me. I think the ‘take home meesage’ from this is that meat in our diets is part of our grand design but as with many things associated with the human condition we have chosen to indulge ourselves. We have meat every day in super-sized portions and we demand to have access to apples every day of they year. So now I try to eat seasonally and have reduced the amount of meat I eat. I don’t eat gluten, processed sugars, or lactose (why is that we think drinking milk is a good idea… no other animal in the world EVER drinks milk into adulthood). I love food but I get more satisfaction knowning that the way I eat is more in tune with the blind watchmaker’s blueprint… as with most things I still have a way to go and it’s very much a work in progress but I am already seeing the benefits in gradual changes to my health… the next thing to go from my life needs to be stress! So, I agree that a vegan diet is not the one that people should be following. An almost vegan diet, however, is what our systems have evolved to be able to deal with. And… seasonal eating is now one of my great joys. Waiting for my mulberry tree to come into fruit makes them taste even better! It is a proven way to reduce our environmental footprint too… food for thought…
Aug 01, 2012 @ 03:12:42
This is an interesting comment, and I think I agree with your main idea. However, I’d like to point out that your reasoning contains the naturalistic fallacy. That is, the belief that things in nature are as they should be and that nature should be a model for our own society. Chimps also roam around in loose packs and attack any other groups they happen to encounter on their patrols. By this reasoning, gang behavior is perfectly natural, evolved to protect self and other group members, as well as territory and resources. But is it good? Probably not.
That said, your end point seems similar to mine. I decided to try veganism primarily to be more conscious about my environmental footprint, so I am interested in reading the linked article concerning that topic. In researching vegan health, I have read a few scientific papers that indicate that both omni and veggie/vegan diets can be healthy, as long as all necessary nutrients are eaten. As previous commenters have mentioned, it’s easy to degenerate as a vegan if all you eat are carbs and spinach. But I think it’s the same way with omnivores, if they rely primarily on meats and fats. I don’t think nutrition is harder for one group more than the other, so long as the consumer knows what they are eating.
Oct 09, 2012 @ 12:58:17
I think I get what you’re saying Isabel, but I think there’s a difference between social function and biological sustenance. Behavior is one thing (attacking other chimps, gang mentality, HOW a being acquires its meal, etc.), WHAT a creature eats to sustain itself is something else. I’m not sure the two can be compared. It’s not that nature should be a model for our own society, however, when we are talking about a model for health it’s difficult to say that eating meat is unhealthy or unnatural when a chimps digestive system (including teeth) is so like our own with the exception of their elongated/sharp canines which are meant to kill prey without the use of tools (something we haven’t had to do in a very long time). I think the point is not exclusion, but moderation. I’m not an expert, but that’s my opinion.
Aug 17, 2012 @ 12:34:59
Yeah we should definitely base our diet on what chimps eat for sure after all wasn’t it the chimps who invented the wheel and raised the pyramids? I have lived on a cattle and hog farm my entire life eating meat and consuming milk. I was diagnosed with type one diabetes when I was 17 and since then have discovered how nearly all the foods in the traditional American diet are detrimental to our health. We raise organic hogs on our farm and I have seen firsthand the widespread ecological destruction that comes along with raising hogs and cattle. Erosion, soil compaction, runoff pollution from manure, and competition with wildlife over food are just a few of the environmental problems that can be completely avoided if everyone ate a well planned vegan diet. Scott Jurek who is one of the worlds best ultramarathoners runs races of 100 to 135 miles in length is a vegan. He holds the North American record for most miles covered in 24 hours. Why dont you tell him being vegan is wrong.
Sep 23, 2012 @ 10:08:34
Hi Simon,
Your post is interesting, and resonates with a lot of what I believe. I also strive for an evolutionary approach to eating, and believe that (having eliminated processed foods from my diet), my natural cravings are a decent indicator of the nutrients that my body needs.
There are, however, some flaws among your claims.
I would like to point out, though, that the assertion that no other animal will consume milk into adulthood is actually false. Cats are known for enjoying milk/cream even into adulthood, and from other animals no less! Beyond that, there have been examples of newborn animals suckling from animals outside their species.
Even if the argument that “we are the only species that drinks milk into adulthood/from other animals” was correct (which is is not, though indeed the tendency is rare), it would not form a sound basis on which to conclude that we should not consume dairy products. The question of greater importance is not whether other animals consume dairy, but rather if it is healthy for us to do so.
I would agree that there is little nutritional value in pasteurized milk. The pasteurization process kills all of the beneficial bacteria and denatures enzymes that help with nutrient absorption. However, unpasteurized (or raw) milk is a great source of loads of different nutrients that our bodies need. Sure, you can pick these up from other food sources, but raw milk is an exceptionally nutrient dense food. Beyond that, it tastes delicious.
As for real world cases pertaining to raw milk:
The Maasai people of Kenya/Tanzania have a diet that consists of mostly raw milk, raw meat, and blood. Dr. Weston Price, on his visit to the region in 1935, found these people to be mostly disease-free and have teeth that were in very good condition. It’s worth noting that fruits and vegetable are virtually absent from the traditional Maasai diet.
Beyond that classic example, people in raw milk circles report immense improvement in conditions ranging from joint and muscle pain to osteoporosis after they began drinking raw milk.
Moving on to meat: Yes, I generally agree that it is not necessary for most people to eat very large quantities of meat, but I would like to point out that that does not mean that it is necessarily bad to do so. The indigenous people of the North consume a diet that is almost exclusively meat from seals and whales because the climate in those reaches is not conducive to agriculture. Many of these people report feeling ill after consuming Western cuisine.
May 27, 2012 @ 13:51:30
I was diagnosed with IBS 8 years ago, which, for those of you who have heard of it, falsely conjures up images of a person for whom Pepto Bismol is practically a dietary supplement. Well I can tell you that this is not the case for me, but I did have REALLY painful stomach pains for seemingly no reason. A year later, I decided to go vegetarian for personal moral reasons. I have kept it up since, for the last 7 years, and I am doing much better with my IBS as well as my health overall. It’s worth noting that a lot of the trigger foods for folks with IBS include animal products, so this may be why I have seen improvement
Jun 10, 2012 @ 22:14:43
I’m such an idiot. I started the vegan diet thinking it was the right thing to do. I went to the doctor to get blood testing done. Come to find out I’m vitamin B12 deficient, and I wasn’t before. He tells me I can get shots or go back to eating the way I ate before. I think to myself that getting shots in order to get a vitamin is not normal. We should be eating what we need to eat in order to obtain all the vitamins we need, not go get “shots”, what kind of backwords crapola is that? Have you ever heard of the book “Fit for Life”? By Harvey and Marilyn Diamond? It was one of the most popular books written in the 1970′s pertaining to weight loss and living a vegan diet. Anywho, I was curious to see what happened to the authors of that book so I google searched Marilyn Diamond and she has a Facebook page saying she is not vegan anymore due to some serious detrimental effects that it has caused her. Her page is truly shocking. But it’s all the truth.
Jun 16, 2012 @ 10:20:53
Hi! You probably needed the shots because you werent taking the supplements and went way too deficient and needed to top up pronto. As long as you’re taking the supplement consistently orally (sublingually) you should be fine. Also, birth control affects absorbtion.
But I’d always ask a doc before making such a radical dietary change!
Mar 31, 2013 @ 09:16:27
So why do you need supplements lisa?
Jul 06, 2012 @ 14:22:39
Nutritional yeast….cheesey tasting little flakes of stuff that looks like yellow instant mashed potatos. Doctors recommend shots and drugs because its there bussiness. You should have just gone to a nutritionist to help you plan a better diet.
Jun 16, 2012 @ 09:43:50
Thanks for the article.
It’s quite obvious that you chose a sensational headline to get page hits. Smart blogging! Way too sweeping a statement to be accurate. A well balanced vegan diet, while difficult to achieve, is extremely beneficial to many.
So is meat eating more ecologically sustainable? What about the water crisis? World hunger?
Thanks!
Lisa
Jun 18, 2012 @ 14:17:08
It’s very interesting hearing everyone’s point of view. I’m not sure there is one right answer, though it would be much easier if there were.
I used to get sick all of the time when I was younger. Ate meat, dairy, etc. At 16, I decided to change my diet, much to the horror of my family, who are farmers, meat and fat eaters, and all but a few, obese. (I’m not saying because they eat meat and fatty foods that’s why they’re obese; it’s just interesting to note since some argue that’s the only way to go.)
So I went vegan. I stopped getting sick, my acne went away, and 15 years later, I’m far healthier than I was back then. I am a healthy weight for my height, without counting calories and without exercising excessively (as a benchmark I am at 21 of a “healthy bmi”, which is regarded as anywhere from 18-25).
I tend to eat a good amount of nuts and oils. I read the article by John Nicholson and while I thought it was interesting and seemed to work for him, a lot of long living cultures (think Sardinia) eat oils and live long lives, so I’m not sure if the oil part is completely true (unless they meant trans fatty oils or at an extreme high temperature). Some of those cultures also usually eat meat sparingly, if at all. In my opinion the key is more to eat “clean”, minus chemicals, packaging, processing, etc., be active on a regular basis, have good relationships, and have a positive though still realistic view of life (sometimes easier said than done I realize).
I don’t go about trying to convince anyone that veganism is what they should do. I think some people do better on certain foods than others. As an effort to experiment, there have been periods of time where I have introduced dairy back into my diet, and my acne came back. Whether it’s mental, pasteurizing, or the actual dairy that brings it back, I couldn’t tell you for sure.
As far as meat goes, I have a really hard time eating animals because I’m such an animal lover. Someone in a previous post asked at what point does a being become a being? I don’t know exactly, but I do know that I don’t kill bugs either, not even mosquitoes (which may be a risky move). At the moment I just can’t with a good conscience eat animals (or kill bugs).
Jun 20, 2012 @ 13:22:47
It really seems to me like this article was written just for the sake of stirring up controversy. With everyone’s different body chemistry and all the various scientific studies there is no way one blog post could EVER come close to touching upon the myriad of benefits and challenges of each kind of diet. So first of all, I’m pretty disappointed in the facts chosen and the writing in general. If you wanted to invite a discussion about it, that would have been the wise way to go. A one-paragraph blog post like “I don’t think vegan diets are healthy, what do you think?” The thing that makes me CRAZY in all the foodie vs. vegan stuff is that both sides think they are completely right 100% of the time. I know vegan pro surfers who are anything but 100% healthy and I know meat eaters who are healthy. I know vegans and omnivores alike that struggle with various health conditions. How about this: how about we let people eat how they want to eat and don’t get so up in arms about it? I’m really over vegans AND writers like you shaming people about their food choices. It’s counterproductive and I don’t think it’s good practice. For the record, I eat small amounts of dairy and eggs, and fish occasionally. I was vegan for a while, vegetarian for a long time, etc. Eventually MY body told me what it needed. These kinds of articles should stop and there should be more of a focus on people like you, with extensive amounts of knowledge, helping people figure out what they should be eating, because it’s different for every single one of us. Some people will thrive on a vegan diet, some people thrive with more meat than I, for example, could handle. This stuff is just getting silly.
Jun 20, 2012 @ 19:11:24
Yup, you can see how malnourished these vegan folks really are: http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bios
Aug 09, 2012 @ 02:49:48
Love it! Some of the worlds strongest body builders are vegan, and raw-vegan!
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Jun 27, 2012 @ 17:18:33
You do make good points about not eating factory farmed meat as that is truly poison. Not to mention how the animals must feel. One thing I do disagree with is eating butter as a nutritious food. Even though you might get organic, grass fed butter, it’s still artery clogging butter. The little benefits of butter probably do not outweigh the damages it can cause.
“A vegan diet is not healthy because of the lack of fats.” Last time I checked, consuming animal fat isn’t healthy. With the availability of anything anytime in this day in age, getting these healthy vegan fats incorporated in one’s diet is extremely easy.
I’m not trying to sound mean, but from your article it sounds as if I should go get a slab of animal flesh, butter it and wash that down with a nice glass of milk that is designed to nourish a baby cow?
Sep 09, 2012 @ 13:14:06
Over the decades, as I’ve checked with my body, animal fat is very healthy for me, and for the vast majority of humanity, – nearly all, if not all. It’s a matter of healthy results. You can see results with yourself,… basically anyone can with theirself. And, it’s all a matter of balance, which is variable, dynamic, seasonal, and situational.
Plant products are usually the majority of what I eat. But animal products are equally important, no less important. Btw, I live in San Diego CA.
Plant fats tend to be less healthy for me as I’ve seen with my body, plant fats typically cause inflammation responses in small amounts. But even animal fats should be consumed in moderation(as with any sort of food), though butter should only lightly be used, of course.
Sep 23, 2012 @ 09:34:38
I am not a doctor, however my understanding of current medical understandings is that arterial inflammation, the most significant predictor of heart disease, is largely caused by high dietary intake of simple carbohydrates and by a skewed ratio of Omega-6 to Omega-3 fatty acids (the result of high consumption of vegetable oils).
As a food, butter is actually a good source of nutrients such as K2, which is not only beneficial to heart-health, but has also been found to significantly decrease the risk of prostate cancer in men.
This is not meant to sound mean (or like a cruel irony, haha), but it seems like maybe your opinion on butter is more heavily influenced by the FDA’s grain-based food pyramid and the cultural lipophobia that resulted from being taught that “fat makes you fat” than by a real background understanding of how heart disease functions.
Jul 01, 2012 @ 22:07:45
Are you and your neo-fascist meat-eating friends completely nuts?
It’s a question….not an insult
Aug 09, 2012 @ 02:51:17
Like!
Oct 09, 2012 @ 13:10:51
To follow that up that thinly-veiled-insult-disguised as a question with “it’s a question…not an insult” makes one question if it is in fact you who are nuts.
It’s like me saying: “Sonia, are you saying you agree with this baby-killing-leftist-moron, Paula?” Then following it up with “No offense, Paula”.
Really?
Jul 06, 2012 @ 14:12:18
I have to wonder if you have any nutritional training to back up your statements because it doesn’t seem like anything more than an uneducated opinion. I see nothing wrong with eating meat from clean farms that humanely raise vegetarian fed animals without the use of hormones or antibiotics. However, your statements regarding a vegan diet being UNHEALTHY are incorrect. Any diet can be unhealthy if you do not have the knowledge to balance your nutritional needs.
Our bodies need only a small fraction of protien and fat and when you eat a balance of the proper nutrients, this can easily be gotten from plant sources. As for your B12 theory, yes this is usually obtained from meat but a mere 1/4 cup of nutritional yeast more than satisfies the requirements. Plant oils are easily accessible in any grocery store…EVOO is even carried in the convient mart at most gas stations. Not to mention the packets of nuts right there at the check out counter and you do not need as much as you think.
Perhaps you should do some research into the way meat, especially beef, leeches calcium and minerals from your bones during digestion. Vegtables don’t do that and leafy greens even give some back along with the iron that usually comes from meat sources. And how about the high protien diets of most americans that eventually cause a build up in your kidneys with the inevatable stones that painfully follow. Not to mention the cholesterol that is clogging up your arteries and hastening your path to arterial disease, heart attack and stroke…plants do not have cholesterol.
Dont disregard the vegan diet as “unhealthy” since it really isnt. The problems are with misinformation (such as your article) and a lack of knowledge on how to balance your dietary needs. Any diet can be both HEALTHY or UNHEALTHY depending on what you choose to put on your plate. My point is: make healthy choices, meat and veggie, know where your food came from and how much you truely need of what.
Jul 09, 2012 @ 17:05:54
Lori, what are your credentials? Opinion is not fact. Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, Dr. T. Colin Campbell, Dr. Andrew Weil, Dr. Joel Furman – all cite scientific studies, including this latest long-term one out of the UK, showing as fact, based on research studies, that vegans are the healthiest segment of the population. Next down are ovo-lacto vegetarians, then pescatarians, and at the very bottom of the health scale, omnivores who are routinely plagued by diseases of the Western world. These aren’t opinions – these are rigorous, detailed studies of clinical patients and widespread studies done by trained scientists and physicians. So let’s let the scientists talk, not opinionated but untrained bloggers, ok?
Here’s a handy link to a group of studies on the disease rate of vegans, vegetarians and omnivores: http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/dxrates
Jul 24, 2012 @ 15:26:54
What are your credentials? What is the bias in your statement? I love seeing your science “fact” posted on a vegan website. Dr. Archie? Where is Jughead?
Aug 09, 2012 @ 02:52:06
This is the truth!
Sep 11, 2012 @ 22:51:02
Dr. Archie,
A doctor of any kind should understand that one can never state a fact came out of any scientific study. The most the researcher could claim is support for a hypothesis…….that’s freshman biology
Dec 31, 2012 @ 01:12:37
With fundamental foods being consumed, well grown(appropriately organic/humane) clearly for most people omnivores, in good balance and moderation, are way healthier than ‘optimally’ applied veganism.
We’re not speaking from opinion, we’re speaking from repeatable results to our body, – our bodies give indicators/response-indicators to what we consume, the balance with what we consume, and the quantities of what we consume, all those factors make a difference, whether positively or negatively. People, our bodies reveal. Get in tune. The ‘research’ is generally skewed and not fully relevantly true. Your body can direct you as to what’s right and wrong for your health, because your body gives indicators with/on your skin, your digestive system, your reproductive system, your tissues. You make your health, you make your body. You’re in control. Live to perform in life. You are a physical machine. Your machine indicates what’s good and what’s not.
All the fundamental traditional foods, meat, full fat dairy, fruits, vegetables, grains, seasonings, salt, alcohol, are all good for us, in balance and moderation. Alcohol is moreso an optimizer and cleaner of sorts, positively healthfully. Optimum consumption is variable per person, variable throughout ones life.
Let your body direct, prudently. No rules, just right, no diet. Though omnivorism(which can be many ways) is the biological standard of humanity.
Jul 14, 2012 @ 08:24:58
I am getting so much flack from vegans on this 101cookbooks blog because I disliked Alicia Silverstone’s vegan book, and I am so glad I found this article. I am actually really concerned about the health of her developing baby who really needs things like milk and cheese and eggs to get proper nutrients, we are all part of this world and everything is here to sustain us. And why is it that honey is so wrong? they call it “bee slavery” really? there are kids working for a dollar a day , you wanna have something to fight against, fight that ! not some bee bullshit!
Aug 09, 2012 @ 02:53:42
Watch Earthlings, Forks over knives, read Skinny Bitch or any book by Gabriel Cousens, then you can come back and make an educated opinion.
Jul 15, 2012 @ 14:25:45
Interesting how there is no input from the author of this article regarding strong, valid points that offer a good challenge to her point of view and “evidence.”
Jul 18, 2012 @ 11:53:04
It’s also interesting how some people like to leave passive aggressive comments on blog posts.
To be completely honest, I’m just not interested in arguing with people who disagree with me. A conversation is great and we can agree to disagree, but it’s not worth my time or energy to fight a battle when it’s apparent that no one is going to ‘win.’
Jan 23, 2013 @ 23:29:04
Great article C:
Jul 23, 2012 @ 02:33:58
I’ve been a vegetarian, not even vegan, once. I ate vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, even tofu and eggs, and avoided dairy and meat. It did not work. My hair started falling out, I lost muscle mass and a lot of weight and worst of all, my tooth showed signs of rotting.
When I started eating meat and dairy again, my condition improved and I’m now healthier than ever. You could say that I don’t care about saving the earth.. but I would think that if I become a full-fletched vegan, I’ll disappear before the earth does!
Jul 23, 2012 @ 10:55:22
A tenner say Dr Archie has a doctorate in something completely unrelated to medicine, anthropology say or art history. You too could have a doctorate with 20k in student fees and an IQ of higher than 95.
On the subject of cherry picking evidence providing a link to an external website run by ‘vegan outreach’ is a good long mile from being objective. I would taker the same dim view of ‘evidence’ supplied by the meat marketing board on the same topic. It’s very easy to take 10 of the thousand or so studies on the subject that agree with you and ignore the others if you want to use research for propaganda purposes.
I never cease to be amused at the combination of hypercritical quasi-scientific analysis of anyone that disagrees with Veganism when counter-posed against the completely uncritical belief in the souls of animals. Got a lot of scientific evidence to support the existence of souls?
Excellent blog post Lori.
Jul 24, 2012 @ 15:35:46
Joe,
Do you need to attack another group to prove that Dr. Archie is an A$$hole? I question his credentials myself but do you feel the need to go after other fields? I know people with doctorates in history who are far more intelligent then some MD’s I have met…and vice versa.
Jul 25, 2012 @ 10:11:11
Calmedo, I wasn’t attacking those groups, I have a history degree myself. It was a general commentary on people with unrelated qualifications passing themselves of as MDs not the establishment of a new world order based on what subjects everyone is qualified in.
Jul 23, 2012 @ 19:08:11
Your comments on B12 are factually incorrect. B12 is produced by bacteria.
“Neither plants nor animals are independently capable of constructing vitamin B12. Only bacteria and archaea have the enzymes required for its synthesis.”
A vegan obtains B12 from the same source as a meat eater, bacteria. We have learnt to produce B12 on an industrial scale, just as we have many other food items.
The assertion that a vegan diet lacks the fats required to absorb nutrients is an unsupportable one. There are many sources of vegetable fats, a fact which would become obvious even after the most cursory nutritional research.
All too often we humans search for those who agree with us rather than for the truth.
Jul 27, 2012 @ 17:29:03
I agree that people often search for those in agreement, rather than the truth. But what is the truth? Are we in fact meant to be began? Did we evolve that way? I think we should all consider balance, with life and with nature if we want to improve our lives. One last thing, have any of you ever raised a cow? What’s all this nonsense about grass fed? Why not say free grazed or to be more realistic. Cows love all kinds of edible plants and will eat all the choicest plants they can find first. Ever seen a cow go through a corn field? Because they sure will eat corn plants, cobs and all, or have you ever seen cows when they find a.patch of button mushrooms or white puffballs? They love them. Sure they like grass plenty, but watch what cattle naturally eat, an guess what you will see? Balance.
Jul 29, 2012 @ 10:44:05
According to my memory, only 10% of vegans live over 70. The remaining 90% live just up to 40 or 50 and die of nutritious deficiency.
Aug 01, 2012 @ 09:21:03
hehe Vishal, how did your memory cook up such a statistic !
Aug 15, 2012 @ 10:10:09
And many vegans think that is so eco lifestyle. Really? They buy exotic fruits, food, and food in plastic bags. I was one of them, I was a vegan, even raw vegan, but now I eat also animal products from pastured farms close by place where I live, and yes I feel respect to animals, because I can look after them, because they are domesticated animal, and you cannot just let go alone. And they can give you “something” which your body missed.
And if vegan is balance, healthy, so why mostly vegans are so angry and not respect another people?Even here . I feel more respect from people who eat meat, they respect me WHO ARE I AM ( I do not eat meat)than from vegan they think that are “better” than another, clean etc.But wha about mind, hearts? Where is love for all creatures, also humans?
Life is not about create “categories”, but live in respect, because we share this planet.
You are not better than me, and I am not better than you.
Love & Health
Aug 15, 2012 @ 21:48:42
Thanks for the article. I am looking at changing my diet and recently have been reading up on veganism.
A yoga teacher I used to have once said, “My body works best with about 6 oz of animal protein per day.” I really respected that statement (a lot of people who frequented the studio were vegetarians).
Aug 16, 2012 @ 11:07:31
As a nutritionist, I see many people getting very sick following vegan diet. They all have GROSS protein dificiency as well as many vitamin and mineral dificiencies. They usually get better fairly fast when they add to their diet a good amount of grass-fed/free range meats, wild caught fish and animal fats so needed for normal neurotransmitters function. I can always tell a vegan apart from a meat eater just by looking at them (wasted looking body, foggy brain, slow paste and a complete denial about their (and their kids’) appearence and health). Unfortunately, kids suffer the worst from this food cult. I talked to a number of health practitioners (nutritionists, acupuncturists, NDs) and we all agree on one thing: raising a vegan child is a child abuse. Very sad situation. Many raw vegans get into a cult because once they take the most common food allergens out of their diet (gluten, dairy, eggs) they often feel much better right away. So they get hooked to the diet thinking that if they ear it long term they would be even healthier. Unfortunately, it is FAR from truth. Many have their immune system shutting down after just a few years on vegan diet. One does not have to be vegan to decite to figure out their food allergens and elluminate them from the diet. It is that simple: don’t eat foods you are intollerent of, eat good quality meats, fish, fruit, veggies and gluten free grains (if you do not have insulin resistance) and you will be in good shape.
Sep 02, 2012 @ 05:44:28
Yulia,
Can you give me contact to you?
Thank you,
Aug 26, 2012 @ 01:52:26
Interesting article. I’m slowly starting to integrate meat into my diet after 10 years as a vegetarian (5 as a vegan). I suffered from anorexia for 15 years, and while in the hospital the nutritionists encouraged me and the other vegetarians to start eating meat again because it’s been shown that the brain will take up to two years longer to rebuild itself if you’re not eating red meat. It’s taken me two months since being released to come to the decision and the transition has been tough on the psyche, but overall I feel like a new person with so much more energy and a clearer, better-functioning mind.
Sep 02, 2012 @ 09:19:48
obesity/over weight: go vegan
heart conditions: go vegan
help the environment (also your health): go vegan
Sep 09, 2012 @ 13:42:09
obesity/over weight: Don’t eat too much, exercise, well balanced diet, go omnivore
heart condition: Don’t eat too much, exercise, well balanced diet, go omnivore
help the environment: Don’t eat too much, exercise, well balanced diet, go omnivore
It’s not as simple as ‘go vegan’. The results bare that out.
Sep 02, 2012 @ 09:45:04
this is called the definition of propaganda from your government, whether it is healthy or not, meat is good for the economy and the government doesn’t want you to stop consuming meat strictly for $$$ they could care less about your health!
WATCH THIS: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cce_1343318770
Sep 02, 2012 @ 09:51:07
maria your video is about the environment, not health. so this has nothing to do with health. but yes this is propaganda
Sep 09, 2012 @ 02:09:01
I am a 12 year old, and I am researching on vegan diets, whether its healthy or not, from reliable sources, if anyone can help me send a link about it, it would be really helpful. Also a vegan diet is good and so is a non-vegan diet, we all have our opinions and debating about it is a great way to make others here your voice, and so here’s mine, in my opinion, there are different types of vegans, some who completely devote themselves to end the causes of animal death, they don’t use any silk, wool, leather or anything like that, also some vegans stick to their vegan diets and no more. Eating non-vegetarian food doesn’t do any good to the planet but does good to the human body, eggs have a lot of nutrition but who said veggies don’t. What I believe is that Lori has thought this out, she is trying to have a balanced opinion and she is not the biased well not at the most, all in all I would like to thank you all for the wonderful comments and Lori thanks for the article, this has helped me a lot in my school research work.
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many thanks.
Sep 09, 2012 @ 02:11:50
(source of information gentleworld.org)
these guys had held a survey and heres a response. Sue: My asthma – which I thought would kill me by the time I was 40 – disappeared completely in just a few weeks. From the constant use of two kinds of inhaler and being threatened with steroid injections I went to wheeze-free and I haven’t needed meds for 17 years. I also stopped having colds. I get the occasional sniffle but never anything serious. I get what I call colds but they only last 24 or 48 hours and are nothing like the ones I used to get before I went vegan.
Sep 09, 2012 @ 17:20:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4hbV4RgzI8
bill clinton!
Sep 11, 2012 @ 21:24:17
Watch some vegan based documentaries please. Food that Kills (available on You Tube) might interest you the most as it is nutritionally based. Your first paragraph pretty much reads – I’m closed-minded and I’m going to run my mouth off. I would just like you watch and read modern vegan based books, documentaries and articles. That’s all, not even going to give you my opinion, just asking you to open your mind a fraction more than it is.
Dec 04, 2012 @ 00:20:46
The thing is- you can find all the research in the world supporting a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle and there will be just as much supporting the opposite. I know this- I’ve researched both sides. Both have an agenda. Veg=emotionally based- eco-concerned agenda- Meat/Dairy- Major industry interest.
You need to look for the most unbiased, HEALTH based information you can find- for me that was Dr. Mercola and Weston A Price among others…Also, I recommend looking in to the faulty research behind the China Study.
Sep 12, 2012 @ 02:39:33
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/uprooting-the-leading-causes-of-death/
watch this clip about a plant based diet.
Sep 16, 2012 @ 17:16:59
My primary issue with this post, ignoring all the inaccuracy of the information, is how you stated that eating meat isn’t cruel. I don’t understand how causing a living, sentient being to suffer isn’t cruel.
Sep 17, 2012 @ 12:09:16
stfu please…
Sep 23, 2012 @ 09:08:42
If we were killing the animals for fun, then yes, it would be cruel. If we are killing them to eat them, it is merely natural. Do you think it is cruel for a lion to eat an antelope?
I agree that the way in which most of the meat consumed in this country is produced is deplorable. It is done with no respect or appreciation for the animal as it makes its way from the feedlot to the slaughter house. However, it would be a mistake to believe that this is what all meat production is or must be.
I personally choose to buy my meat from small, local farms who raise their livestock in a responsible and kind fashion. In fact, the farmer who raises the beef that I eat treats his animals better than some people treat their children.
Sep 20, 2012 @ 07:34:59
Why does everyone get worked up about a Vegan diet? It’s just food… real food. Can’t imagine the person that thought it was a good idea to eat the milk of another species…but I won’t get started on that.
Why is it that no one was interested in my protien intake for 44 years, and for the last year, it’s the topic of discussion at most meals. If so unhealthy, how is it I’m able to train, injury/fatigue free for my first half marathon? How is it I FEEL better and my body isn’t sluggish and full of aches and pains all the time once I switched to a vegan diet? I’m a dietary vegan. I come from a family that has a small farm that sells meat locally…. that’s their choice. I’m not sure I’ve seen the numbers of people sick from Veganism as I do stuffing their faces full of processed, fatty animal products.
How I eat is simply my choice. I feel great… pretty sure that accounts for something.
Sep 22, 2012 @ 01:01:04
Hello, I read this blog and a lot of the expected comments from both perspectives.
First off, I’m a meat eater but I’m strongly keen on becoming vegan.
The way I see it is that I don’t see why it is necessary in the 21st century to eat meat. Science is evolving rapidly and there are many resources and supplements, variety, and ease of access to a well-rounded vegan diet.
So what if a vegan eats things out of season, or takes pills to supplement B12 or iron, etc… Isn’t that worth not having to manufacture meat on a planetary scale.
It’s just lazy not to progress in alternative diets and energies. Why cling to old traditions of meat eating if there is a healthy and better solution, that sounds similar to religious dogma that refuses to evolve and embrace modernity.
Organic meats cost a lot more than that nasty unethical cage raised meat the majority of the west eats. I am in the army and am not a hippie, but the way a lot of our meat is “sustained” is disgusting. So yeah if money can be spent to progress the science of vegan diets then it should because the population is growing and there are not enough healthy organic-raised animals to feed us all.
Let’s not be afraid of change.
Oct 09, 2012 @ 13:25:23
I think my biggest concern is that although we have had a lot of scientific and technological advancement, do we really want to rely on that for our livelihood? What if there is some interruption in supply (for whatever reason)? If there ever were an semi-apocolyptic event, what would happen to our species if we are not able to successfully live off of what the Earth provides us? Whether because we’ve trained our bodies to reject meat/produce or any other reason. Isn’t balance the key to the survival of our species? As a human I can live in the panhandle, the Arctic circle or the deserts of Africa and still live off what is provided for me in that environ. Can herbivores or Omnivores can do the same?
Oct 12, 2012 @ 11:56:11
Ugh…I think I meant to say “can herbivores do the same?”
Sep 24, 2012 @ 11:46:33
Thank You
Sep 26, 2012 @ 23:51:00
I agree with you Lori. As I said people say we can go vegan because of all these “wonderfully new supplements we have”. So if we can do that, then we can go food-less. We can make a supplement for lettuce,we can make a supplement for carrots and peaches. So you vegans are saying supplements for meats, then I’m saying supplements for everything. That isn’t logical of you saying don’t eat meat there’s supplements if you don’t consider vegetables having supplements. So eventually if we do supplements for everything we can all be anorexic people with barely a metabolism and energy to do things. Meat does provide excellent energy throughout the day. The Marines who are healthier then all of you vegans, they eat meat. They’re healthier, they’ll be healthier then you ever will unless you’re someone who works out and lifts weights everyday. Even the Japanese eat meat, they have KOBE beef, which is healthy. Kobe cows are fed wine and massaged everyday.
Sep 26, 2012 @ 23:53:32
There’s meat supplements, and there can be vegetable supplements. So how about we all not eat at all and only drink water and take pills for our nutrients. Oh wait that can give you a seizure, I do know a guy who only drank water and little vegetables and he had a seizure because of the ratio of water/food. I don’t know how that happened.
Sep 27, 2012 @ 03:28:04
im a vegan not because of health or self righteousness but because of basic respect for life…if you feel your life is more important than another then eating meat will never be a question…so when you say eating meat is good for YOUR health and YOUR well being it makes perfect sense…im of the opinion that the cow probably enjoys and needs her flesh much more than you do…cause you know…its part of her body n all…i think it comes down to a sense of entitlement that most human beings have…but if people had to slaughter their own animals im sure there would be a lot more vegans out there…look into its eyes as you slit its throat…im just sayin,,,
Sep 27, 2012 @ 09:33:55
I eat a lot of fruit, legumes & vegetables, but I am really partial to veal & lamb? Both taste really great and you are missing out by leaving them out your diet. Hey though, each to their own. i just dont want any vegan/vegetarian preaching at me. as for the post above….Jer. stop being so dramatic most animals are killed humanely.
Sep 27, 2012 @ 17:37:49
Like I said the Marine Corps eat meat and they are extremely healthy. Meat is great for bosh building too.
Sep 27, 2012 @ 17:38:07
Body*.
Oct 01, 2012 @ 14:59:14
I am going to enjoy a nice steak after this
Apr 05, 2013 @ 18:18:32
I second that thought! Medium rare for me!
Oct 01, 2012 @ 17:28:25
“Did you notice that cheese puffs or white bread aren’t animal products? Do you know some vegans or vegetarians who are more like carb-etarians or junk-ans? Just because you don’t eat red meat or cow’s milk doesn’t mean you are automatically healthier.”
That is not a valid point whatsoever. Omnivores eat those same cheese puffs and white bread (And um, since when are CHEESE puffs not made of animal products?), so this really has nothing to do with veganism, and everything about cheese puffs/white bread/junk food.
“And where do you find these healthy fats? Sure, you get them from coconut, avocado, almonds, and olive oil, but these sources are not always in season, not always convenient to purchase in your area, and are not always present in your diet in a high enough quantity on a given day to meet your body’s requirements to function properly.”
Again, this is situational. I’m pretty sure you can always get nuts & olive oil all year round, and I’ve never had a problem getting the other two either.
“…and vitamin B12 – which vegans must take as a supplement (a required nutrient our bodies don’t create – we must get it from animal sources).”
Ever heard of nutritional yeast? Didn’t think so.
This “article” clearly didn’t even involve any actual research, only the ramblings and false information of some meat eater trying to justify their shitty behavior.
Oct 02, 2012 @ 22:04:37
I’m beating a chronic condition. I was really, really sick… and I agree I think a vegan diet is ONLY good for a short term detox.
Although others with my condition did go vegan for their treatment cycle I did not. I needed the Essential Fatty Acids, B12, egg protein, etc. I needed these wonderful things. I got my eggs from a local pasture-raised farm and took lots of good quality oils. I took B12 supplements and need A LOT of those.
I think we all need some good quality mixture of food. I do not know the archeological history (we have canine teeth so we must eat meat) or the political/socio-economical… I do know the nutritional. I needed good quality nutrition to get back on my feet.
Oct 03, 2012 @ 19:58:27
Everyone one here should watch the documentary “Fat head” imdb it!
Oct 05, 2012 @ 01:45:59
Just be honest and say you don’t care about other animals, and you love the taste of meat and milk. Really I don’t understand why most of the human race think they are the only beings that count – animals feel fear and pain too.
Oct 09, 2012 @ 13:40:33
Then we really need to give those lions, tigers and bears a good stern talking to! Their sense of humanity is severly lacking. Don’t they know that gazelles feel fear and pain, too? I’m being facetious here, but in all honesty, our EARTH is dependent on the circle of life. I think cows would much rather be HUMANELY slaughtered than chased down by a pack of dogs and eaten alive. Yet, teeth are the only tools available to wild dogs. So, do you suggest that for their species to survive, they should live off of supplements to spare the innocent creatures the fear and pain necessary to feed them? This is not a make believe world where mice pull thorns from a lion’s paw and they become lifelong friends.
Nov 16, 2012 @ 20:32:13
You are very stupid.
1. Lions, bears, tigers, etc are CARNIVORES they NEED to eat meat. Human beings are Omnivores, we don’t only need to eat meat.
2. I would much rather take my chances and be in a large cattle herd with a predator than knowing that I am going to be beaten, tortured, and slaughtered.
3. A lion hunting and eating a gazelle in nature is part of the circle of life. Humans forcing raising animals to kill them in little tight spaces, injecting them with hormones, beating them, torturing them, is NOT natural.
4. There is no such thing as humane slaugher.
Oct 07, 2012 @ 20:56:11
Thanks for posting this! My health failed dramatically after years of vegetarianism and veganism (yes, I was a healthy, balanced, organic eating vegan who took their omega 3′s and sub-lingual B12 supplements!) I suffered many of the common ailments you hear from long-term vegans, muscle spasms, leaky gut, spinal disc degenerative disease, joint pain, inflammation, no energy, etc. (Lierre Keith, the author of The Vegetarian Myth, actually has similar health conditions to mine)
Finally my naturopathic doctor put me on a paleo diet, and it’s been a miracle. My symptoms are nearly gone, and I went from almost crippled (in my 20s), to being so healthy that I can actually study dance again.
I know that many vegans reading this will dismiss it as having either nothing to do with my diet, or that I must have been doing the diet “wrong.” But I urge open-mindedness. These are serious negative side-effects that severely impact people’s lives. I almost lost the ability to walk, and 10 years of my life were filled with pain and disability. It was totally preventable, and this kind of thing shouldn’t happen to anyone.
I ate what I thought was really healthy, and supplemented, but my discovered I was dangerously deficient in key nutrients like B12, magnesium, and Vitamin D. Taking vitamins didn’t solve it. I had to eat the real deal in it’s most nutrient-rich form.
I am obsessed with studying nutrition since this happened to me, and here are some great resources for anyone else who’s interested in learning more:
http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Health-Diet-Youthful-Vitality/dp/0982720904/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=63DFOB3LT9SY&coliid=IYH1Q8336MPPM
http://chriskresser.com/9-steps-to-perfect-health-2-nourish-your-body
http://chriskresser.com/b12-deficiency-a-silent-epidemic-with-serious-consequences
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/cholesterol/#axzz26V8GkS00
The best of health to all!
Oct 12, 2012 @ 22:52:32
what were you deficient in?
Oct 09, 2012 @ 22:43:10
I’m an omnivore and you still didn’t convince me.
Weston A. Price is a disputed source, since he was a dentist, not a nutritionist, was he not? You can do your own research about that. Secondly, vitamin B12 can be found in the bacteria which we now wash from produce and yeast spreads, like marmite. Also, I don’t know anywhere in the U.S., at least, where olive oil or other nutritious oils aren’t available year-round.
Vitamin A is easily found in vegetables in the form of beta-carotene. Even better: you can’t over-dose on it, like you can on animal sources of vitamin A because when your body has had enough, it simply stops converting the beta-carotene and flushes it out.
Vitamin D comes from the sun, and KALE has more Vitamin K than any animal source. If you meant Vitamin K2 (which you should have said if that was your point, since you sound uneducated on the subject), it can be synthesized by your own intestinal bacteria and found in fermented food products like natto (bacteria, yet again, though I’ve gotta admit, natto is a lot like…um…toe cheese).
Your arguments about junk food are irrelevant. No freakin’ duh people who eat JUNK food are unhealthy.
BUT MOST OF ALL: DEBUNKING VEGANISM DOESN’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT VEGETARIANISM, YET YOU MADE THE CONNECTION AS THOUGH THEY WERE THE SAME THING.
Oct 12, 2012 @ 22:50:36
I almost respected this website until i saw this post, ignorant and nothing to back up your claims, no real scientific research, people get so insecure about their diets they have to bash other peoples. Anyone can eat anything they want, and then see how their body responds. Do meat, dairy, eggs and processed foods cause many chronic degenerative diseases, YES. Does a nutrient rich raw/cooked vegan diet with no processed foods, shitty sugars, not cooking oils at the wrong temperature or junk food, act as a preventive for these diseases, YES. And you can lose weight, your skin can clear up, you’ll have more energy, and your body won’t have meat rotting in it for days. Also who cares what other people are doing, what a stupid headline. do you even have a degree or something to show your studies. also if you’re so into it why don’t you hunt down your own food, milk your own cow, or drink some breast milk from something pregnant.
Nov 29, 2012 @ 20:29:48
So. That’s all I have to say to you. All you are reading is myths. Do you get your information from PETA or something? Let me guess, you’re a supporter.
Oct 12, 2012 @ 22:58:23
I don’t mean to sound harsh but I feel like this post is very much attacking a diet you actually don’t know anything about. Everyone is different and our bodies all need different things, you should respect that.
Oct 16, 2012 @ 03:32:48
Hi there,
I really like your blog in general, but sometimes you’re a bit iffy with the science.
Coconut oil is a fabulous oil, as I’m sure you know because you talk about it a lot, and is the perfect thing to have with veggies which totally wipes out point #2 that you make.
The other thing that confuses me about your blog is that you tend to mention sugar is not healthy a lot, and then go on to use honey and fruit juice in your recipes. Fructose is the enemy, not sugar, and honey is just as bad as sugar. Which, given the research you look like you do, I kind of thought you’d know.
I hope this doesn’t come across as an attack, it’s not meant to be and I know you are a human being and that you mean well, but I think if you are going to come out with a big bold statement that something isn’t healthy, you need to make sure you’ve checked your facts first. He who casts the first stone, and all that.
PS – I’m not vegan, I’m not even vegetarian. I like meat. But I just don’t agree with your post. Except for the first point. :)
Oct 17, 2012 @ 06:34:20
It’s funny how all these people think veganism is good for them… Let’s start with facts:
Humans have front facing eyes closely spaced together…. just like most predators not like prey animals… Predators are designed to eat some level of meat… Its natures design and to ignore it is silly.
Do you have canine teeth? Most Humans are born with canine teeth… Dang predator sign number two…
Ok now let’s get to the heart of the matter.. How many herbivores are thought to be highly intelligent animals? Not many herbivores are considered brainy… The simple fact is meat contains roughly six times more energy for your brain than any vegetable… A vegan diet may well lower IQ due to decreased energy levels. Extended veganism might even have permanent ill effects on the brain.
Now lets address the hate directed towards meat: Plants are every bit as alive as animals. Plants contribute to higher levels of gas output when consumed… (see cows) and likely in vegans does the same thing… so the responsible thing to do is to eat meat and fart less thus pollute the planet less. Plants clean the air and you dolts are eating the solution and not the problem..
We have created a world insulated from death…and no animal death should be taken lightly but it is a natural part of life.
Lastly this lunacy about honey being bad; name one other foodstuff that can last for thousands of years and simply be heated and consumed as if it was fresh? It has antibacterial properties and in its raw and unheated form contains all sorts of materials collected from plants… Honey has had little scientific research done on it… It may well be one of the best foods for you… the research simply hasn’t been done. Some ancient Egyptian text show that honey was used to treat battlefield wounds and some even claim that wounds treated with honey have reduce scarring.
Oct 18, 2012 @ 17:57:15
I’m not here to discuss the different arguments made in this article but only to say on behalf of myself and other vegans out there, some of us weren’t even dwelling on the health aspect of things when we turned vegan. I for one was focused on the fact that I no longer want to contribute to the slaughtering of animals whom I respected and recognized were a part of nature..animals that feel pain and suffering. I also do not believe we should be eating dead things. Living food for the living body.
Oct 18, 2012 @ 18:35:41
Hi Lori :)
So I am sitting here reading your blog and really enjoying it, so happy that I stumbled across it! I just washed off the Honey Face Mask and applied the Coconut oil and I am GLOWING. I feel so purty ;)
I am also making a shopping list and about to hop on my beach cruiser to the grocery store (I live in Maui now, from San Francisco). Thanks to your positive fun blog I am realizing that I spend waaay to much on beauty products… viewing my bathroom shelf with my trillions of bottles and containers of lotions, toners, hair products etc. I am faced with the pathetic reality that I could probably have been making payments in a pretty nice car, etc. Haha. Yes 90% of my products are organic and natural, but jeesh.
So first on my shopping list is Apple Cider Vinager. I have done the honey mask in the past, and thank you sooo much for the coconut oil reminder, but have always been curious about ACV, have heard so many great beneficial qualities it has and thanks to your informative words I will be trying it today. And I just busted out my blender that has been collecting dust to make that slushie. I have been drinking way to much iced coffee with too much cream and sugar. Not cool. So soeaking of cool, this has inspired me to start making some healthy, yummy & refreshing drinks that will cool me off in this tropical heat. And *also* speaking of cool, I am sorry that you have to deal with all these very NOT cool comments. Funny (yeah hilarious right), you create a sweet, funny, positive and informative site and there are people out there that seem to want to argue just for the sake of argument.
Oct 18, 2012 @ 20:18:08
Uh oh, I promised myself I would not even feed into the negativity of so many of these posts but, after reading Bryan’s I just cannot help myself.
Hi Brian,
You seem very convinced on your opinion. And that is perfectly fine to have one. However, it is good to understand other opinions/view points, and, being a smart Man I am sure that you will not mind if I give you some information that you may not be aware of.
And let me begin by stating that I am not Vegan, nor am I even Vegetarian. I was Vegetarian for over 10 years, Vegan for barely 1 year. For me, and I am fully aware that everyone is different, but during this time I felt and looked my best. I had so much energy, my body, my skin, hair; the whole package was really in top shape. Now, the first few months I was sluggish, irritable, the list goes on… But that was because I dove into the lifestyle with zero knowledge. I basically ate all the same crap as before, but cut out the meat, let’s just say a lot of cream based pasta, cheese sandwiches, French fries… I would have been better of just eating meat, for sure. But then I began to educate myself on the Vegetarian “life-style”, I say life-style as it pretty much is. You must plan and prepare and be very aware of good food combinations. Then I added more living fruits and veggies and felt great. When I began to start eating animal meat again was when I was in Europe. See, this, is a huge issue and as to why many opt to go Veggie. Sure the suffering and killing of animals is a sensitive subject to some, but, our Countries Meat Industry is disgusting to say the least. Not to even get into the fact that these animals are pumped with hormones (hello 8 yr old girls getting their periods) and other horrible for the living being to digest. And yes, out meat factories do ruin the environment. There are tons of books, videos etc. at your finger tips to read into. Moderation is also the key, when deciding to eat meat it is of course best to do it in smaller portions and have it organic, grass fed, all of that. Heck, for nothing else it TASTES SOOO MUCH BETTER. You claim that we are meant to eat meat, yet many would argue that our digestive systems to not in fact work for meat. It tends to stay in your intestines and rot, hence our many causes of Cancer. And as far as our teeth, no they are not meant to eat meat. Chewing carrots, nuts and grains yes. If we were true Carnivores wouldn’t our teeth be pointy and sharp to kill in the animal kingdom like the rest.
But most importantly is your (excuse me if I am about to offend you here but :) nonsense about dumb people?!!
At this point, because I have a long day ahead of me and because I truly do hate to argue (oh that was the WORSE about being a vegetarian/vegan…ALL of the people constantly wanting to argue and give me a really hard time. It really didn’t make very much since as I would never push my belief system on others. Now if they asked, sure let’s have a conversation. But the nagging and hassling was draining to say the least. There is a misconception about Vegetarians being self-righteous and pushing their lifestyle on you. TRUST me; at least in my 10 plus years plus, and also in all my vegetarians’ friends’ life, it is sooo the OPPOSTE.
Well anyways please take a look:
“Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty.”
“Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.”
Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel Prize 1921
“Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages.”
Thomas Edison, inventor
Many historic Olympians have chosen to keep a vegan or vegetarian lifestyle or they have chosen to change from a diet that included meats for protein into one that was rich in proteins found from vegetarian sources. These are our top 10 historic vegetarian and vegan Olympians:
*Charlene Wong*
Charlene Wong, a four-time silver medalist at the Canadian Figure Skating Championships, is a vegetarian.
*Carl Lewis*
Carl Lewis is probably the most well known, historic vegan Olympian in the world or at least the U.S. He won 10 Olympic medals, 9 of which were gold. His Olympic career ran from 1979 to 1996. He wrote an introduction for Jannequin Bennett in her book “Very Vegetarian” saying, “It’s a myth that muscles, strength and endurance require the consumption of large quantities of animal-based foods. This myth began before anyone even talked about protein.” He ended his introduction with, “Your body is your temple. If you nourish it properly, it will be good to you and you will increase its longevity.”
an athlete who also competed in the 1988 Winter Olympics.
*Ronda Rousey*
Ronda Rousey was the first U.S. woman to earn an Olympic medal in judo in 2008.
She became an MMA fighter in August of 2010 and is currently the Strikeforce women’s bantemweight champion and #1 ranked 135-pound female MMA fighter in the world.
*Surya Bonaly*
Surya Bonaly is another competitive spirit who has participated in the Olympic events on numerous occasions but has never one an Olympic medal. She has, however, been a three-time World Championship silver medalist, a five-time European Champion, and a nine-time French National Champion for professional figure skating.
She is a vegetarian and PETA activist. She has participated in both English and French PETA ads calling for an end to Canadian seal hunts and an end to the fur industry.
*Chris Campbell*
Chris Campbell is a world champion and Olympic bronze medalist wrestler. He is a pure vegetarian and one of the oldest men to win an Olympic medal –At the age of 37, he won the bronze medal for the 1992 Olympic team in Barcelona, Spain.
According to Seattle Times, Campbell is a very unique individual, “He practices Zen and dabbles in poetry. He’s a vegetarian who likes nothing better than tofu stroganoff. He leg-presses 700 pounds, meditates, and quotes everything from The Sermon On the Mount to The Teachings of Budda.”
*Hannah Teter*
This list may seem filled with wrestlers, runners and figure skaters but there are vegetarians in other aspects of the Olympic games. Hannah Teter for instance is a vegetarian and also a gold and silver Olympic medalist for snowboarding.
She told the Huffington Post in 2010, “I feel stronger than I’ve ever been, mentally, physically, and emotionally. My plant-based diet has opened up more doors to being an athlete. It’s a whole other level that I’m elevating to. I stopped eating animals about a year ago, and it’s a new life. I feel like a new person, a new athlete.”
*Bode Miller*
Bode millar has been a vegetarian since birth. He has won five medals in the Winter Olympics for different ski disciplines. His diet has not really changed since he now owns his own organic farm similar to the one he had growing up.
He told Vegetarian Star in 2010, “We grew our own produce. It was all organic.” His organic farm is in New Hampshire. He is an advocate for sustainable food, farming and living.
*Edwin Moses*
Edwin Moses was a force to be reckoned with in the track and field arena. He won gold medals in the 400m hurdles at the 1976 and 1984 Olympics. He won 107 consecutive finals in 122 consecutive races and set the world record in his event four times.
Moses is a confirmed vegetarian, humanitarian and advocate for peace. He has been chairman of Laureus World Sports Academy since 2000 and promotes the use of sports as a tool for social change around the world.
*Debbi Lawrence*
Debbi Lawrence has been a three-time Olympian and holds the world record for the women’s 5K racewalk event. She believes that her success as an athlete is largely due to hard work and a vegetarian diet. She was sponsored by Aim for Herbs, an all natural herbal supplement distributor.
She opened up to Paul Eiler’s in 2010 about her relationship with the sponsor, “I’ve concentrated on natural products because they’re so important to my success. Imagine someone who walks 12½ miles as fast as they can not having the right shoes. Chances are they wouldn’t last half the race. The same is true for the right nutrition. You can’t just fill a blender with whatever’s in season. You have to be very careful about what you eat, and you have to take supplements to help fill in the gaps. Of course, supplements are wise for everyone, whether you’re a vegetarian or not. But athletes, especially world-class, competitive athletes, have to be careful about what supplements they take. The wrong ones can do as much, if not more, harm as not taking any at all.”
*Murray Rose*
Murray Rose passed away at the age of 73 of leukemia but he is fondly remembered as one of the worlds most historic vegan athletes. He was Australia’s Olympic swimming star. He had set 15 world records and won six Olympic medals, including four golds, which made him a sports legend and hero in Australia.
During Rose’s long career he ate a vegan diet and followed a vegan lifestyle. In 1958 he told Groucho Marx on the radio program “You Bet Your Life” that his gold medals in 1956 could be attributed to his veganism.
Dec 18, 2012 @ 08:39:40
Gorillas, giraffes, elephants, horses, goats, parrots, cows…
Albert Einstein was kinda smart.
Those are all extremely intelligent.
Also, I have an IQ of 162, and history proves that those with high IQ’s have always opted for the vegetarian/vegan diet because well, it just makes sense. I have been vegan since I was 9, that is almost 17 years and my body has flourished.
Every body is different, but I don’t think that every body NEEDS meat or dairy. If we were forced to live off a plant based diet, humans would not die off. We aren’t lions.
If you eat healthy foods, not shit foods like sweets, fries, and stuff your face with refined flour or sugar items, it’s extremely healthy.
Also, vitamin B is not derived from animals, it’s derived from the Earth, but since we wash our fruits and veggies before we eat them, we wash it off, thus not acquiring any.
Meat eaters do not take supplaments because they don’t think that they have to. In truth, everyone should because everyone lacks at least 3 essential vitamins, no matter what your diet is.
And if we WERE in fact meant to eat meat, like predators, why do we cook it? You don’t see wolves and tigers sitting around a campfire BBQing their meal. If you’re going with the ”we’re biologically engineered meat eaters”, then do it right, and put down the Big Mac. Catch your food and eat it raw. Cooking meats is a leading factor in strokes, heart attack, heart disease, and cancers.
True, meat just rots in the stomach, accumulating gas and developing holes in your guts.
Nice, huh?
I’m not saying that eating meat is horrible, I stopped because I love animals, now it’s just my lifestyle.
But don’t go and say that veganism is not healthy in the long run without having experienced it for more than 2 years.
It’s common sense.
Oct 18, 2012 @ 20:23:10
So in short, sorry to take over this whole page :(!!! Just thought I would point out some very healthy Vegans and Vegetarians: Olympic Medalists AND just a couple smart ones: Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison.
Of course the list goes on. And on, and on and on. But it is good to see other and all view points and perspectives. Okay, *now* I will go shopping and pick up some of your suggestions Lori ;)
Love and Peace.
Oct 21, 2012 @ 06:02:38
This is just another example of how exhaustive labeling is.
I eat what I feel is right for my body. I don’t eat meat, but I don’t label myself as ‘vegetarian’.
I don’t eat meat for ethical reasons, but as I said, I don’t believe in labeling myself as anything. I don’t believe it’s ethically right to take a life just so I can have food, when there are so many other options out there.
I eat lots of pulses, organic vegetables, organic eggs, etc.
Health-wise, I think that BOTH vegan and omnivorous diets can be healthy, depending on WHAT you are eating. Vegans who eat a balanced range of fresh vegetables, nuts and pulses, tofu/soy beans and cereals WILL be healthy. However, if they survive on meat substitutes, french fries and bread, they won’t be. Likewise, if meat-eaters survive on organic and free range meat, organic eggs, plenty of vegetables, pulses and grains, they too will be healthy. However if they survive on hamburgers, fries and hot dogs, they won’t.
It’s not the diet or lifestyle that makes you unhealthy – it’s what you take FROM the diet.
I firmly believe that part of the resistance to veganism comes from the stereotype of what a vegan is – an emaciated, political activist who will stop at nothing to prove their point, being extremely annoying in the meantime. However, out of the ‘vegans’ I know, only one fits the stereotype.
Why the hell do people have to put a label on everything!? I actually think that people would be more open to a plant-based lifestyle if there wasn’t so many labels and stereotypes surrounding it.
Oct 22, 2012 @ 09:33:25
I think healthy is based on whether or not the diet it’s balanced or not, rather than vegan or meat-eater. An unbalanced vegan diet is unhealthy compared to a balanced omnivore diet and vice versa. You can be health on either diets as long as you make sure your chosen diet is balanced. In order to be healthy on a meat diet, you need to avoid processed rubbish and factory farmed meat, which is full of hormones, anti-biotic and other harmful rubbish and just like the vegans make sure you’re getting all the nutrients you need. Balance is key.
As for studies that claim vegan or vegetarian is healthier lets not forget, that after animal rights, health is one of the biggest reasons people claim for being one, so are also less likely to smoke, eat a huge amount of processed rubbish, and other high risk factors for disease making it a little bias. Also as for the fact that Asian cultures have lower rates of diseases, they also have some of the lowest rates of obesity.
Oct 22, 2012 @ 11:25:28
Question 1: If you don’t like CAFO or Factory Farms, what meat do you eat? If you are not a hunter, how do you avoid this? If you are buying from the grocery store, you are buying factory farm meat and there is nothing natural about it. A domestic animal is a pet – you care for it (feed it and provide shelter) and then you kill it. Why not eat your dog? I’m not saying you should, I’m just wondering why you don’t…it’s the same thing…only it’s not your “dog” you are eating, just someone else’s (the factory farmer). I just got tired of paying so much money for grass-fed beef that was still slaughtered in the same factory slaughterhouse as all the sick and diseased animals. I am saving money and my health (Bad cholesterol comes from animal products ONLY) buy not eating meat.
Fact: Early cave people were mostly vegans (hair samples prove it) who only ate meat (small amounts) from the remains of big cat prey…spears were more for protection (long pole to keep the dangerous animal far from clawing distance) than hunting as humans are slow and weak in comparison to other animals. This is why humans COOK meat. Unlike natural scavengers, we are the only omnivores that cannot eat meat raw without getting sick. Cooking meat is an unnatural adaptation from lack of food (vegetation) during the last Ice Age. This was how humans survived, but survival food is not healthy, it will just “get you by”. Cows can eat fish (and do through factory farm feed) but it doesn’t mean it is healthy for them. Just because you can eat it, it doesn’t mean you should.
Question 2: If you don’t think eating vegetation is sustainable, how is feeding farm animals sustainable? I didn’t realize this until I tried to have my own family farm. Of the 4 pounds of vegetation I feed my cow, only 1 pound will be produced as meat…I’d say that is a loss of food since I eat vegetation too. Why own an herbivore when I can be one and feed myself instead? This is why farmers who keep animals have to exploit them. Otherwise they wouldn’t make enough money to keep them. To get milk, your cow must be pregnant and then you have to kill or get rid of the milk guzzling calf if you plan on having any for yourself. Milk is for babies and as a woman, I would never want to take milk from a baby for my own selfish consumption (Kale has more digestible calcium than milk – how do you think birds get calcium for laying eggs – not from cannibalizing other eggs like the industry will tell you). :(
Back to sustainability – This analogy will help – A vegan driving a hummer creates less emissions than an omnivore riding a bike to work. All transportation combined (cars, trains, planes, etc.) amounts to 13% of emissions created in the US. Livestock alone creates 18% of emissions in the US.
Do it right: Junk food is junk food. I think everyone understands that. Vegan cake is still cake, it just means I can be cruelty-free on my birthday. :)
Healthy Fats: Yes, put unsaturated fats like oil (& vinegar) on your salad with no shame…but better still, use a nut or seed butter (like almond butter) to make a good-fat dressing plus nutrients and fiber. The “Fat Free” craze is all wrong. There is good fat (whole plant foods) and bad fat (man-made saturated and animal fats) – good protein (plant, cancer reducing) and bad protein (animal, cancer promoting) – good carbs (whole grain) and bad carbs (refined, white or bleached) and so on… everyone can agree that saturated fats (all in a solid state) are BAD (stiffen arteries, etc.) for you regardless of where it comes from (margarine is man-made and just as bad as animal fat).
As far as the human studies on diet go, “The China Study” has the most data and the “cleanest” data (no industry influences). The study clearly shows that plant-based is best – hands down. YES, cancer is curable with a vegan diet (nutricionfacts.org). Besides, I eat the same as any other “healthy” person…I just don’t eat animals. Plants have all the nutrients (and more) that meat has without the cholesterol and parasites. The only thing meat can boast is protein, but even that is the cancer promoting kind, plus hormones, plus other contaminations. Any excess protein is expelled through the urine if not used and only 6% protein from your diet is actually needed (or humanity would not have survived this long). Animal products are very high in protein and will over work your filter organs. So long as you are not starving, you will ingest plenty of protein on a plant diet…this is why “consuming others” (meat-eating) is a SURVIVAL tactic.
Hell, in a survival situation, I would cannibalize, but that doesn’t mean I should eat people on a regular basis. Even omnivores are B12 deficient (I know a few personally) because B12 is a bacterium that people used to ingest in well water and from eating root vegetables (soil with B12 in it). Thanks to our modern ways, our water is treated and our soil is poisoned so doctors recommend that everyone check their B12 levels. The meat industry is actually required to fortify meat with B12 and soy milk is too. B12 deficiency is a modern problem; not an antiquity one.
I was not born vegan. Like many, I became vegan because I no longer trust the food supply and I have seen overwhelming evidence that meat is not healthy for humans and it is far from humane. I think we are here on this Earth to be shepherds (to care and nurture), not conquistadors.
Oct 25, 2012 @ 13:09:09
I totally agree!! I was vegan for 1,5 years. I’ve lost a lot of weight! I looked scary thin! Though I was eating all the time! My breasts, my ass.. my womanly curves disapperared.. I was freezing in the winter like hell. My skin got very dry. I was sleepy all the time. It was several years ago. I eat now everything, all kinds of food! Junk food not, and I try to buy organic, local products, when possible, but I am not freakin’ out if I can’t. :) I look good, feel good, I am healthy now.
Vegan diet is NOT nourishing, not healthy in the long run!!! NOT!! I speak from my own experience.
Mar 23, 2013 @ 17:26:50
What the hell where you eating? Let me guess “salads, fruits, blah blah blah”… Have some chips, french fries, almond/ soy milk, nuts, or some soy meat. Jeez woman learn to eat…
Mar 23, 2013 @ 17:29:51
This article is biased and so is everybody’s comments. Can everybody just shut the f up… you’re not gonna change anybody’s mind because everybody is convinced that they already have the answer. Damn…
Mar 23, 2013 @ 17:34:24
Seriously. Everybody’s bloody annoying.
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Oct 27, 2012 @ 13:25:55
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Oct 29, 2012 @ 08:38:09
I am studying nutrition at RIT and have taken several classes. I have learned that the source of all nutrition comes from plants including calcium, iron, vitamins and minerals. Vitamin D comes from the sun and B12 from stream water and soil. All of these things get into animals because they ate the plants and drank the water or that animal ate another animal that ate the plants and drank the water. So you can either let an animal eat your plants for you or eat the plants yourself. The first kills the animal, the second does not. But what if there are no plants to eat? Well, then there would be no animals to eat either. The original source of nutrition is in the plants and plants are what the animals we eat consume. And no we do not need to get our cholesterol from the animals. We synthesize 70% on our own and the other 30 we synthesize through plant foods. We do not need to consume it already in cholesterol form. Omega 3 and 6 are in all kinds of plant foods from potatoes to walnuts. And the notorious vitamin B12 is supplemented whether you are vegan or not. Farm animals no longer graze in fields consuming the B12 rich soil, look it up, they are taking a supplement now because of their inferior diets that we feed them. So whether you are vegan or not, you are taking a B12 supplement. You are either swallowing the pill yourself or you are allowing an animal to take it for you. All of this from nutrition classes that are NOT vegan based but general courses at a University. You say that the things we need to eat are hard to find but I have yet to walk into any store anywhere and not see a plethora of fresh produce and oils, grains and nuts. The day that happens we will have much larger problems than just lack of plant foods. Because we do have this abundance there is no good reason to eat an animal. As far as sustainability, once you kill an animal it is dead. You can’t replant it. But you can replant any produce you eat. You can even poop out the seeds and replant them. You never need to kill a plant permanently to eat it. But for an animal, the death is the end. For a plant, it will yield for as long as the earth remains intact. I call that sustainable.
Dec 29, 2012 @ 18:50:06
What an awesome post Laurie! You summed up your argument very well and have brought a few new points to my attention. Thanks for such a succinct and well written response (best one I’ve read on this trail!).
Oct 29, 2012 @ 08:42:07
BTW I don’t know what people are eating that get dry skin or look unhealthy. I am 44 and I look 24 with an awesome body in a bikini – curves, muscles, abs, and I’m not even really trying. Just eating healthy and staying active. Any diet is only as healthy as you make it. If you lose weight, eat more. Weight is nothing more than calories in versus calories burned. Sure there are things that affect this such as starvation, disease, healing, etc. But in a normal healthy person it’s calories in versus calories out.
Nov 09, 2012 @ 23:21:02
WHO EVER WROTE THIS ARTICLE IS A FUKING IDIOT I CANT BELIVE HOW STUPID SUM PEOPLE CAN BE
Nov 29, 2012 @ 20:33:56
Really? Maybe you should take a look at yourself before you point fingers. Want to know why? If not, I’m telling you anyways. Whoever* Fucking* Can’t* Believe* Some* If you have to use the word “fuck” to make a point, your point automatically becomes trashy and invalid.
Nov 10, 2012 @ 04:30:19
None of you know jack about nutrition. Neither do I. Why? Because we’re all basing our opinions off research, much of which is fraudulant or simply wrong (due to the researchers being shit heads who are more interested in book sales or grant money).
Nov 10, 2012 @ 12:42:58
I think that people who are vegans are often concerned about the disastrous effects of the meat/dairy industry on the eco-system. It isn’t always about the animals. People who eat meat also die terrible deaths and are unhealthy. I don’t think that eating meat or not eating meat will necessarily = perfect health. I think you have to get informed about the meat industry and make a personal decision.
Nov 10, 2012 @ 12:45:34
Also, the idea that we are “designed” to eat meat seems kinda silly to me. How do you know what we were designed for? Sounds preachy and religious and being an atheist, I ain’t into that. Why do you even care if people are vegans? It seems like you are being defensive. When someone is being defensive it seems like deep down they are trying to justify themselves. Why justify yourself? Why not just let people eat vegan if they want to. People have to die of something, maybe they will die of veganism – hahaha, doubtful.
Nov 10, 2012 @ 12:50:27
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/08/18/bill.clinton.diet.vegan/index.html
Nov 12, 2012 @ 23:06:16
Well dear, you must dedicate your life to something else. What a nonsense! Writting so much garbage, pollutes the internet. You clearly know nothing about vegetarianism, pure vegetarianism or veganism. Non-vegetarians always finding new excuses to keep killing and torturing animals. Science knows it better, and you are totally wrong about your conclusions. And stop eating corpses, they are bad for your “onmivorous” health.
Dec 17, 2012 @ 05:03:03
This is my biggest problem with vegetarianism/veganism. It produces an culture of elitism. You may not enjoy eating meat but that does give you the right to piss on everyone who does.
Sometimes I think vegetarians and vegans are just angry people. Which your comment would seem to prove.
Nov 14, 2012 @ 12:26:03
So I trace the report of ’75% of vegetarians return to meat’ of Psychology Today to a 2005 CBS study (no figures available) and ‘Motivations For Meat Consumption Among Ex-Vegetarians (2009)’, a study sponsored by Purina and Nestle’ (and the tokenism of IFAW, recipients of funds from other animal-killers), mass producers of animal slaughter the world over. Study debunked on such partisanship.
There are few references of worthy note and this screed seems to be based on pure opinion, generalising vegetarians and vegans as junk-food consumers (as a percentage, I reckon most McDonalds patrons don’t opt for the vege option).
And the final ‘poetic’ reason is based on ‘what my granny said’ and, as someone from farming stock for four hundred years at least, I can honsetly say that muck is better than bone.
Veggies and Vegans consume good fats, organic meats are LESS carcinogenic and bad cholesterol forming than mass-produced but cooking is one process ignored in your assertion. An Oxford study from a handful of years ago, which, in haste I camn’t find, supports this.
Nov 21, 2012 @ 14:00:17
vegans of the world help me understand.
how do you get enough protein?? (i know theres nuts and beans, but is that enough, especially if you’re an athlete?) the main sources of protein is dairy and meat. also WHY do you want to do it? i can get the whole i dont feel comfortable with eating meat thing. but seriously no dairy? cheese is the best invention ever (i think), and i go through periods of craving milk (i know its weird). i dont know how i would survive without those two things. Ok so i can also get why you guys feel uncomfortable drinking chemically filled milk, and the whole animal in wire cage thing, but SERIOUSLY what is wrong with organic milk or cheese? its not like you kill the cow.
sorry there a little question overload but i really do want to understand how and why vegans have that sort of diet and not an organic vegetarien kind of thing, so yea thanks (:
Nov 28, 2012 @ 14:06:41
there is more than enough protein in vegetables, fruits, lentils, oats etc…. protein consumption is actually way to high for a lot of humans eating a standard diet. Look at vegan body builders, how do you think they grow their muscles :P
Nov 28, 2012 @ 14:08:30
Oh and another thing, dairy cows are often abused as well: calfs taken away from mothers, being made to produce milk 24/7, male cows being shipped to slaughter etc… research it, you’ll be amazed
A cow only lactates when she had a baby, so they have to manipulate this in order for a cow to keep producing milk
Mar 24, 2013 @ 17:02:43
Just for extra information as well, people overestimate the amount of protein a body needs. I am 5’1 and weigh around 125 lbs. I only need 12 peanuts a day to count as 1 serving of protein.
Nov 22, 2012 @ 14:10:28
KC.
Do you think it natural to drink the milk of another species? Would you suckle from a cow’s teets?
Cows (like all other mammals) need to be pregnant to produce milk. Dairy cows are repeatedly raped their entire lives to keep them pregnant and producing milk, and millions of their babies are killed every year because they are just not needed. The cows themselves are eventually killed when they are no longer productive. They are slaves – nothing more.
So this is what’s wrong with dairy!
Nov 24, 2012 @ 22:16:01
I can only speak from personal experience but I have been both a meat eater and a vegetarian soon to be vegan and I can say that I am healthier now than when I ate meat. Its not a spritual/ emotional..not wanting to “ingest death sort of thing, I just dont care for meat. I dont like the taste, the smell, or the way I feel after Ive eaten it. That is why the vegan lifestyle is best for me…and I am healthier than many of the organic meat eaters that I know.
Nov 27, 2012 @ 20:35:22
Here in my eyes is the bottom line: vegetarianism and veganism works FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE. If it doesn’t work out for you (like you feel sick, lose too much weight, have a lack of energy, etc.), that does not mean that it is an unhealthy way of life. It may just mean that it is unhealthy for you personally. Also, going vegan does not immediately make you a healthier person. If you eat chips and Oreos all day then you are being far from healthy. However, if you eat balanced, fruitful meals with vegetables, fruits and grains; eat breakfast every day; and drink plenty of water, then veganism can be a healthy choice. I myself have been a vegetarian for four years and am weaning myself onto veganism, by eating vegan during the week and eating a normal vegetarian diet on the weekends. So far I feel much healthier and my digestive system feels cleaner. However, I cannot tell the future and have no way of knowing what will happen over time. My point, though, is that you should not judge those who wish to be healthier and/or go vegan. If it works for them, let them alone.
Nov 28, 2012 @ 14:04:56
Been vegetarian (6years) and vegan (4years) and I never noticed any problems at all.
So I go with my own experience, and I am very healthy person so see no reason to stop being a vegan. I became it for ethical reasons but did my research on which foods are best for the body + test it out myself. So I dont eat crap things like refined Sugar and all of that.
Dec 04, 2012 @ 00:12:36
It’s sad to see all the arguing on here- people getting so incredibly rude, defensive, and mean. As a previous vegetarian of 12 years, and a vegan of 2, and now once again an omnivore, I can understand both sides. I did everything perfectly when I was veg/an. Took B12 supplements, nutritional yeast, ate lots of sprouted nuts and seeds, etc. etc. All organic, much of it raw. I felt great for a long time. Then I became sick and the ONLY thing that helped me regain my health was adding MEAT back in to my diet. I tried adding things like whey protein, pasture-eggs, and raw milk, which helped, but only slightly. The real difference came when I ate meat again. The first time I ate grass-fed red meat (dead cow if you want to call it what it is), I cried. I was also extremely nervous as you hear all the things about losing your ability to digest meat. Well, I felt AMAZING. I had so much energy. After gradually adding back in meat my hormone levels began to balance out, my mood stabilized, I was no longer fatigued, the list goes on.
As a previous PETA activist and fanatical animal rights advocate, it is hard to believe I now eat animal products. It is still something that I struggle with ethically.
Every one is different and we should respect this. The focus should be on cultivating health, and purchasing the most responsibly produced products you can find. There also is a huge difference between organic, pasture-raised animal products vs standard ones from factory farms.
Also, I have to say I used to preach the China Study and the idea that humans were not meant to consume meat. I’ve now come to place where to me the exact opposite now rings true- I believe much more in the Paleo-diet now…if you do your research there are no indigenous people who are strictly vegan- ALL seek out animal products when given the opportunity-
Anyways, thanks for putting this out there, and I want to let you know it was true for me. All of my vegan friends are now hitting the stage where they are becoming ill- I have to say I think this has a lot to do with deficiencies from their diet….
And to any veg/ans that want to reply to this- I understand already whatever you will say. I was once in a place where I swore I would rather die than ever eat meat- where I yelled at my entire family over the Thanksgiving dinner table because of the dead animal in the middle of it- I KNOW. But I think we all have to be open to change and the goal should be doing what feels right and true for ourselves. That’s where I’m coming from now…
Dec 05, 2012 @ 01:20:44
really silly article.. :D
Dec 08, 2012 @ 05:09:03
“I’m not here to debate the ethics or morality of eating animals.” says your blog.
If you did, I’m sure we’ll all have to agree which diet is the sound one.
Dec 08, 2012 @ 12:33:52
We agree with you Joe. And isn’t a waste that someone like Laurel with so much talent and time is advocating to the masses to continue the largest holocaust in history. 61,000,000,000 animals are living horrible lives right now just for next years meat consumption. If anyone thinks that some animals feel pain and others don’t than please blog it up. We are ready to change your mind.
Dec 17, 2012 @ 05:00:42
Here’s a news flash for people who refuse to eat animals because they think it’s unethical and think it’s wrong to kill them for consumption.
You know those salads you enjoy eating so much? The plants used to make them were once living creatures too, whether you like it or not. The only difference is that a plant doesn’t scream in pain when you pluck the leaves.
JUST SAYING.
Dec 26, 2012 @ 18:38:23
The difference I see is that an animal will let you know in no uncertain terms that it does not want to give up its own life for you to eat its meat, whereas a plant does nothing.
Dec 27, 2012 @ 11:52:19
i tried going vegan – i was sick of meat to be honest and thought it would be a good detox to go vegan for at least a month. two weeks, and i was craving meat like never before. the body quite frequently seems to crave what it needs – my body needed meat. i was hungry 24/7 and eating an unnecessary amount of food, which caused me to gain weight. i broke the vegan diet and ate more meat than i have ever before, which caused even more weight gain and a diet imbalance of course.
i do try to cut back on my meat and follow Ray J. Wang’s advice about eating meat the size of half your own fist per serving. for example, i use veggie broth instead of chicken broth or beef stock. i have found that my skin has a bad reaction to cow milk based products. so, i am dairy free, drinking almond milk (soy works also, but i prefer the almond taste). i always do my best to not make meat the center focus of the meal, but more of a side or an accent (an enhancement). too much meat is just as bad as too little meat.
every now again, i will do a vegan detox for about a week or so. this i believe is good, but not to overdo it because our bodies do need meat. we are not solely herbivores. we are carnivores. there are animals that are herbivores, carnivores, etc. it is the way each living thing is designed.
i agree with you very much Lori. thanks for another great post! :D
Dec 27, 2012 @ 12:03:09
People have really strong feelings on this topic – for or against. It’s all about choice. My husband is an omnivore and I am a vegan. When I record the nutritional information of my meals beside my husbands, I am consistently eating healthier than him. I am meeting all of my daily nutritional requirements and I do not feel deprived at all. I consume adequate amounts of healthy fats (easily!), and protein and fibre – and all the rest of it.
To me, being vegan isn’t about just avoiding animal products. It’s more about eating whole, unprocessed foods. I’ve chosen a healthy eating lifestyle and I believe omnivores can achieve the same thing by eating healthy portions of meat and eliminating the processed foods from their diet.
Dec 27, 2012 @ 16:18:47
i’d like to state my account with a once-vegan person i hold very dear to my heart. this person was vegan for fifteen years and noticed their health started disintegrating to the point of their system shutting down entirely. they saw many doctors and finally went to see a very credible nutritionist, who happened to be a hindu – vegan on all accounts. the doctor informed them that what they were doing to their body was more harm than good by depriving it of nutrition they needed due to their genetic makeup. the nutiritionist basically told them since they are of iberian descent and the ancestral lineage consumed animal-derived fats, the vegan diet would do more harm than good. it was a difficult process, but they slowly dievrted back to omnivore.
i’m a firm believer of genetics…because, afterall, you cannot fight them :)
Dec 27, 2012 @ 21:04:59
The point is, veganism saves lives. It is healthy, and this article pulls together only all of the poorly researched points contradicting the healthiness of a plant based diet. And Sammy Allouba, you are making assumptions about vegans. Just because you aren’t one doesn’t mean you have to accuse us all of having closed-minded, self absorbed personalities. Also, there have been studies that show that plants do not have feelings, and your argument that they do is one of the most common excuses to eat meat that I’ve heard.
Jan 04, 2013 @ 14:13:31
I believe human bodies are individually unique. Some may do very well as a vegan and some may not. I do believe that the healthiest foods are balance diet. Fruits, vegetables, quality meat, seeds, fish, and more fruits and vegetables. Listen to your body, eat with friends and family more often, laugh and smile more, and always be thankful.
To live a long life is more than what you eat, it is also how you live it.
I like the quote:
We need to think, speak, and live holistically. We need to respect and understand ‘the other’ while holding to our own identity and beliefs. In seeking to understand ‘the other’ we’ll see ourself in them, and realize how much we all have in common.” ~ Greg Johnsondoesn’t
Jan 07, 2013 @ 05:05:52
Sure, not all vegans are healthy. Why? Because some don’t associate their veganism with eating whole, nutritious foods, and eat quite a lot of junk instead. But that can lead anyone, omnivore or vegan to an unhealthy result. That means vegetarianism and veganism themselves are not to blame for it. Watch Forks over Knives and then you’ll truly understand why vegans are actually doing it right, and why there are more and more of them ;) It might aswell inspire you to eat more vegan whole foods too (if not entirely), I know it inspired me and many, many other people to do so. Information fights ignorance! Cheers ;)
Jan 07, 2013 @ 17:16:30
I was a devout vegan for nineteen years, actually believing it was healthy, until I committed my first act of apostasy against the religion four years ago by eating a can of tuna. During my time as a true believer, I ballooned up to 93 kilograms, putting me just a hair under being considered obese. Since turning apostate and eating meat again, I’ve lost weight. Now I’m eating meat a lot more often, and I’m down to 70, just a bit above the midpoint of my healthy weight range. I found that what you say about fat is definitely true … and that’s why I eat a lot of it these days.
Jan 08, 2013 @ 20:21:56
I’m a vegan…. And for the record… Not to be mean or anything… Main brand oreos… Are NOT vegan.
Thanks <3
Jan 17, 2013 @ 03:41:31
we are hunter gatherers, we are opportunists, we are survivors. we eat what is available. our bodys are designed to eat meat and plants, we evolved this way to insure survival of the species. we learn to adapt to situations for survival. modern man has everything available at their fingertips so we can pick and choose what we want to eat, which is why people can choose to be omnivores, vegitarian or vegan. if you live in say northern alaska, which people do and have for quite some time, no markets no growing season but lots of seal and fish. you live in florida, long growing season and can grow just about any kind of edible vegitation there, you eat more veggies, and meat if you want. to each there own. bottom line…survival of the species.
Jan 18, 2013 @ 07:57:36
A sensible and well-practiced diet tof any kind that is appropriate for the individual will reap positive results. Vegans have to pay special attention to nutrients as several are only received through animal sources. This takes effort. It’s not just about eliminating animal products, it’s about educating yourself so you don’t find yourself in a deficiency. I have recently moved to a near vegan diet – may I add I was a happy omnivore, and I emphasize vegan diet – rather than being vegan, because I am not opposed to the use of animal products. I moved to this diet due to various food allergies and NAFLD which caused my liver to not be able to process animal protein effectively. I am already much healthier as a result. I am most certainly healthier than ALL of my meat eating friends as they dont’ follow a healthy diet at all. This blog is overgeneralizing, I think we all know that. There is no one size fits all. But it certainly has drummed up a lively conversation.
Jan 18, 2013 @ 22:46:08
I’m on the Lucy diet. I eat lots of foraged food, the odd roadkill and lots of grubs, crickets and berries.
My doctor says at 45, I’m the healthiest person he has ever seen! I eat vast quantities of greens mixed in with my berries and grubs.
I do not ever eat grains, processed foods (dog food) or sugar. People mistake me for 25 frequently (damn cougar hunters!) and my ribs can sometimes sharply remind others of their gluttony.
Jan 21, 2013 @ 13:28:49
i think the main problem with veganism is the lack of protein. there ways to get protein other than meat, like spinach, beans, etc.
meat is just the easiest, most assured way to get the needed protein. on the other hand, too much is dangerous just as is too little. it’s a balance, but things found in meat (like protein) are necessary for functions of the body.
i do support temporary diet changes. for example, every now and again, i will do a one week vegan or vegetarian detox diet (my vegetarian detox is more like i don’t eat straight up meat; i’ll eat egg whites and chicken broth). often, i will crave certain things throughout it. most recently, i did a one week vegetarian detox and didn’t crave anything. the time before that, i did a one week vegan and craved eggs. before that, i did a two week vegan and craved mayo.
so, i’ve found that being a veganism vs. vegetarianism is a big difference. with veganism, i craved things that contained protein. with vegetarianism, i craved nothing. i ate mayo once on this detox and it just didn’t satisfy me at all, seemed like a waste.
Jan 22, 2013 @ 12:15:11
hi I just want to point out that a vegan diet can work very well for some and very poorly for other. although from what I have seen in my life makes me believe it is unhealthy for most unless you reall conouisly follow what your eating. my brother my and my sister both Got in to the vegan movment as kids. they went on more than 10 years on this diet ever since the age of around 12 and went on in to thier late 20s. by the time my sister hit 25 she got hypothiriodism and thyriod cancer along with several other health problems related to vitamine b 12 deficentcies she survived and beat the cancer and now eats chicken and fish and is much healthier. my bother also suffered from various vitiman b 12 related health issues and thyriod problems along with belive it or not high blood pressure and now eats eggs and milk. I havent had any health problems I do eat organic meats and vegtables and nothing even close to that no health problems my entire life. same with my other brother whom doesnt even care to eat organic meat he even eats junk food like mcdonalds and still has been healthier than my brother or sister. my point being if you plan your diet and really spend time to make sure you get everything you need you can make itn work. in real life to me it seems unrealalistic for most people to do successfully and to those of you that have made it work you have done a lot of home work and kudos to you. I wouldnt suggest most people trying it however. just from personal things I know about the diet from 2 family members.
Jan 23, 2013 @ 23:30:57
I have recently converted to raw veganism initially for weight loss but once I began embarking on this new lifestyle my whole outlook of food, nutrition and ethics changed entirely for the better. Meat eaters (which i once was myself) are in denial of the fact that we do not need to consume meat or dairy products in order to survive. However, there are so many scientific proofs which indicate that meat and dairy are not only unnecessary for the human diet but cause more damage than good for our bodies, whether that be in the short or long term.
The main reason why people consume meat and dairy is for iron, protein or calcium. However, there are evidences to suggest that consuming dairy or meat actually promotes the loss of iron and calcium. For example, look at the parts of the world that consume the most dairy products that is the US and parts of Europe. They have the HIGHEST rate of osteoporosis compared with Asia or Africa. How can this be when after all the US and European countries consume THE MOST dairy products?
This is because when dairy products eg. milk is consumed, in order for it to be properly digested by the body, nutrients from our bones (calcium) is taken away and used for digestion of the dairy product. Because our bodies simply were not designed to tolerate dairy or meat.
And to those that claim that they ‘tried’ the raw vegan or vegan lifestyle but they became deficient in nutrients and lost too much weight. The answer is simple. YOU SIMPLY WERE NOT CONSUMING ENOUGH CALORIES. Fruits and vegetables have little calories and high water content compared to ‘conventional’ foods like meat, dairy, bread, refined sugars etc. Therefore, it is easy to eat too little calories on the raw vegan lifestyle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtxFC4LHnKo
Look at how much this woman (freelea) eats in a day as a raw vegan. She is famous for being the ‘banana girl’ eating up to 50 bananas a day. Not to mention she is extremely fit, healthy and thin.
All you people dissing the vegan lifestyle are simply not educated or are in denial with the fact that the meat and dairy industry are scamming our society for profits.
Jan 26, 2013 @ 04:02:50
sorry, i missed the part of the article that showed your qualifications to write with such a strong opinion on matters of human nutrition, where would i find that? Also, were you vegan in the past?
Jan 26, 2013 @ 15:02:49
I’m sorry to say this, but most vegans are so misinformed and your points are idiotic. Eating grains, any grains, whole or processed is one of the WORST things you can put in your body. Most of our grains today are GMO and do horrific damage to your gut and immune system. Please read about the primal blueprint before you spew off your misinformation. I think we can all agree that eating processed packaged foods of any kind is bad even factory raised meats and fish. True paleo eaters are the healthiest people on the planet, go do your research. I’m not talking about people who eat McDonalds, I mean people who eat quality humanely raised meat along with lots of veggies and moderate fruit and dairy. I gave up grains and within days all my ailments vanished. A few hours after eating a piece of whole grain bread my allergies and other problems came back.
Feb 22, 2013 @ 05:12:59
I assume you must live in the USA if you are claiming that most grains are GMO as they are certainly not here in Europe. If you are then suggesting that meat is GMO free, you are deluded because the meat you eat in the USA is from animals fed with that GMO grain. As for suggesting that just because you had a grain allergy, that proves that a vegan diet is unhealthy is rubbish. It just means that you had an allergy. Some are allergic to meat. Does that mean that all meat eating is unhealthy? Same logic. Finally, there is no such thing as humanely raised meat – unless the animal is allowed to roam completely free and only eaten when it dies of old age or a natural mishap, it is still being imprisoned, exploited and killed premeturely, if not also mutilated (de-horning, tail-docking, etc), raped (artificial insemination), tortured (while being taken to slaughter) and suffering fear and alarm (at the time of the slaughter).
Jan 27, 2013 @ 21:36:30
As an ADA nutritionist, I can confidently say that there is nothing wrong with the vegan diet, just as there is nothing wrong with an omnivore diet (strictly from a nutritional standpoint, ethical views aside). If you are experiencing nutritional deficiencies, looking as if you’re “wasting” or mentally foggy, then you are most likely doing it WRONG.
The important thing to remember is that you need to incorporate fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, legumes, etc. and make sure you get COMPLETE proteins and healthy fats every day. Most people forget this, you need all of the amino acids you body craves. These can definitely be achieved through a plant based diet through something called protein combining, but just eating one or two sources of protein a day is going to leave you lacking. Animal proteins contain all of the essential amino acids in one shot, which is why you feel better once you switch back. Rice and beans, quinoa, tempeh, and other forms of plant-based proteins are complete. Additionally, many foods are now fortified with b12, such as many soy milks and nutritional yeast, as well as seaweed. It’s probably a good idea to take supplement and track your nutritional intake using a free online or phone app tracker until you really get a grasp on the diet. As for lacking in dietary fats, getting them from a plant based source (saturated) is healthier than butter considering the other things in the plant that are lacking form the animal source. The same argument of unavailability can be used for meat and dairy products, which are pretty expensive nowadays compared to the average coconut.
As with anything, it’s all about moderation and balance. If you eat a properly balanced vegan diet, you will feel healthy. If you eat a properly balanced omnivore diet (I am a firm believer in clean eating), you will feel healthy.
If you eat junk food, no matter what you eat, you will feel horrible, and you might not even realize it until you’re sick.
But that’s just my two cents. I really liked how thought-provoking this article was. Getting such a reaction from your readers is fantastic!
Jan 28, 2013 @ 14:49:10
This reminds me of a story I heard years ago. A man crawled on ice to make it across a frozen river. He feared if the ice broke he would surely die. Almost half way through crawling, 50 men galloping on horseback galloped right pass him. What an idiot he thought himself to be. People are living a healthy lifestyle on a raw/vegan diet, proof stares us right in the face, yet people produce articles like this. SMDH at you crawling on solid ice.
Feb 06, 2013 @ 00:30:48
Hahahahaha! You don’t have a clue about nutrition. Please come back when you know what amino acids are and what gorillas & chimps mostly eat in the wild!
Feb 08, 2013 @ 14:17:37
I am vegan but I respect omnivore’s opinions. You cannot make them stop eating meat though you believe it’s the right thing to do, and preaching won’t work in any case. It’s just annoying and does the opposite effect.
Anyway, I don’t agree a vegan diet is bad for one’s health as I know plenty of vegans who are perfectly healthy and full of energy. There are healthy meat eaters too, those who eat lots of fruit and vegetables, and lower their meat intake to the maximum.
I agree for some people, a vegan diet can be detrimental. But only if they don’t do it right! They need to know their diet needs to be balanced and not only made of carbs (it’s a common mistake in vegans). People who decide to be vegan need to educate themselves and eat properly, mainly whole foods. They won’t need anything else.
Watch the Forks Over Knives documentary. I recommend it.
Feb 11, 2013 @ 16:14:28
I think its funny how I used to say the exact same things as the omnivores in this comment section until I researched, became educated, and became vegan. There are unhealthy aspects of every single diet out there because of the chemicals put in our foods, and how much of the more unhealthy foods we eat rather than the healthy ones. So I finally decided to go with the chemically unhealthy vegan diet rather than a chemically unhealthy omnivore diet because at least I’ll be reducing the suffering of innocent animals with what I eat.
To all the omnivores on this page, I highly recomend doing some serious researching of the good and bad aspects of all diets, not just the good of yours, and the bad of others. I’ve made that mistake and wish I could now go back to make sure I don’t look like a fool with my one sided “facts”
Feb 12, 2013 @ 17:26:24
I couldn’t agree more! This article is full of one sided “facts”, as you called them.
The reason I became vegan is because I didn’t want to be part of the pain and suffering imposed on animals.
I also disagree with those advocating how humans are omnivores, I won’t go on with the justification of my opinion as I would be just repeating what other commenders have explained before me.
I am happy I am vegan and relieved that I don’t contribute to the cruelty that animals are being treated with in factory farms…
Animals too have rights and we should live in peace with them, after all this planet doesn’t belong only to humans.
I’m not trying to convince anyone to go vegan, everyone makes their own choices and they are responsible for them. If they enjoy eating a corpse and have the ability to ease their conscience after that, to me it means they are insensitive and cruel. But that’s just me… or isn’t it just me?
Feb 13, 2013 @ 21:39:05
To state that vegan diets are not healthy, even in the long run, is a radical assessment to make, especially since the writer is not vegan their selves. I would love for this writer to bring this blog to every vegan and tell them, “Hey look at this, according to what I wrote you aren’t healthy.” This is laughable, there are millions of vegans that are healthy and doing well, many of which have been vegans for decades. Please, if you are going to make a conclusion about a diet that is not your own, then consider those within that diet. I’m vegan and as healthy as can be, I’m proof that this article is BS.
Feb 14, 2013 @ 10:00:50
First of all, the American Association of Physicians considers a vegan diet suitable for all life stages: childhood, pregnancy, breastfeeding.
Secondly, where in America can you buy organic, grass-fed beef but not olive oil? Do you check that all restaurants use ‘free range’ meat? You could never eat fast food, ever if you were strict about that.
And veganism isn’t just a case of eating super healthy all time or existing on junk food.
Feb 17, 2013 @ 12:32:13
I’ve been vegetarian for 3 years and vegan for 6 months; I could never eat meat again, for personal ethical convictions. Regarding the health debate, I know lots of people who have benefitted from the vegan diet – though I wouldn’t necessarily say it is always healthier. But your comment about cancer only coming from Factory Farm meat still covers about 99% of commercial meat, and most of us don’t keep chickens in our backyard. Ultimately I think arguments like health benefit in the long run or sustainability and feeding the world are always difficult, both sides collecting their own facts. For me it comes down to being okay with what happens to animals and our decision as to whether it is really necessary to eat them. For me, I don’t think it is necessary. It tastes better, and it’s convenient. But I don;t think it’s necessary, or to my mind, worth the cost.
Feb 17, 2013 @ 22:26:55
Thank you for the interesting post!
I grew up on a meat diet and vegetables are mere trimmings – sometimes non-existent. I was overweight, I bloat easily, often complain of gas in my tummy, and also get headaches easily. I decided that enough is enough. This happened in the early 90s, when I was a college student. As I wanted to lose weight and be healthy, so I tried a vegan diet. The transition was gradual to ensure that my body can get used to it. Firstly, I omitted all animals that required slaughtering. After a week or so, I omitted fish and shellfish. Finally, I eliminated dairy and eggs.
I was a vegan for a year. I lost all the unwanted fats really fast. Being a student, I also found that vegan diet is very economical and kind to the pocket. However, I started feeling listless and losing a lot of hair. I also had to plan my meals carefully to make sure that all the nutrients I need are present. It is a lot of work which I don’t mind doing if I have the time, but a student on the run with a lot of campus activities to attend can’t always grab an alfalfa sprout sandwich and remain sated.
Today, I opt for lacto-ovo vegetarian diet or pescetarian diet on most days and consume poultry/meat on very rare occasions. Even though vegan diet didn’t work for me, it disciplined me into cutting down on portions and saturated fats, and increasing the good stuff in my diet.
Feb 18, 2013 @ 06:32:27
Since my sisters have became raw vegan, they look terribly thin and pale, and the one sister is now very sick with IBS or worse…. she thinks she can heal herself with herbs, oils, and eating only organic raw vegan diet, yet she is getting worse, and when I ask she says “she is detoxing”!
Feb 18, 2013 @ 12:19:47
lol your right about the junk. that’s a sorry excuse for a vegan. If you do it right though vegan is the only option. Ask bill clinton after having quadruple heart bypass surgery from eating meat (hot dogs) and krispy kreme donuts . nothing a vegan ever suffer from. also a vegan cant get cancer, diabetes (50% of ALL americans die of those 2) , stroke, alzheimers, etc etc. if they just eat junk i dont consider that a vegan as most junk has animal products anyway and aren’t known. healthy vegan junk food isn’t junk (organic hemp chips instead of fried potato in healthy oils vs cheetos, coconut water/organic made juices instead of coca cola) this is a real vegan who does organic and healthy everything not a fad “im vegan let me goto the store and get chips and goto mcdonalds and eat fries” a real vegan like myself grow our OWN organic gardens and eat nothing but fruits and veggies, no junk or anything wrapped. it has to be raw or cooked myself so i know. now WE are optimum health and will never get a dis-ease and will outlive everyone else. we have the sexual staminal of a real vegan.
Feb 21, 2013 @ 05:24:59
Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian…we all know how “right” he thought he was…..sheesh!
sexual stamina dosnt count with the sort of tantric sex you would be doing with the lack of muscular endurance I have observed my vegan friends….who are after 20 years of trying to “convert” me are all coming down with many of thos things you say vegans “dont get”….what you dont seem to “get” is this fad is not some ancient wisdom……..you may return to your kumbaya and love ins now :P
Feb 21, 2013 @ 08:23:27
the only option for who?….what food u need is decided by genes…not urban trends….
really…..get some better info….facts trump feelings based on “duh…gimme a late and meeeet eeterz suck”
Feb 21, 2013 @ 08:31:57
vegans cant get cancer???? what???? really? take ya tin foil hats off! ffs….. i have seen someone die of brain cancer(vegan) smokers that were vegan die of throat cancer,lung cancer and all the heart probs from cancer…..stop sniffing glue and post facts not fiction
Feb 23, 2013 @ 12:46:55
I’ve been a vegan for three months now. Since being a vegan, about 2-1 weeks before my period is due (the luteal phase when a woman’s immune system is weaker due to hormonal imbalances) I’ve been getting really poorly with flu-like symptoms and physically been unable to get out of bed for up to over a week.
This has only started happening since becoming a vegan and I hardly ever got sick before. Getting flu-like symptoms was certainly not part of one of my PMS symptoms. I have been taking multivitamins and iron as well as having plenty of healthy saturated fats and I’m afraid to say they clearly have not been sufficient enough.
Humans have evolved to be omnivores, and being a vegan is not healthy for the body in the longer term like this article says and from my own personal experience.
Mar 21, 2013 @ 03:03:30
You should probably do more research into the supplements you were taking. Most vitamin deficiencies are rare, especially when on a whole foods plant based diet (or when eating healthy, no processed food). Getting too many vitamins, on the other hand, is common due to the advertising of unnecessary products to make money.
Feb 24, 2013 @ 03:18:05
What absolute non-sense you do claim. I have been Vegan for 46 years and at 60 I am the fittest person I know. Some cultures are vegan for generations. Saturated fats are a killer. Your research is so flawed in so many areas it is hard to begin.
Feb 28, 2013 @ 17:45:56
Bryan… awesome!
Mar 16, 2013 @ 23:40:27
Exactly. This article is complete rubbish. I know more about nutrition than this young woman. She obviously doesn’t know about the effects of uric acid
Feb 28, 2013 @ 17:45:31
Do you work for the meat industry? Why would you promote such lies! Are you even real or did the industry create you to confuse the masses? There are so many healthy vegans it is not funny. Just because you do not have the intellectual capacity to understand how a Vegan diet is supposed work you shouldn’t promote hatred and cruelty. And yes you do promote that, there is no justifiying animals deaths, especially to fill your selfish desires that are not nessassary. Why people are not being nice to you is because you lie and have no idea what you talking about. Ask all the vegans that have been vegans for 40+ years. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Mar 06, 2013 @ 09:45:33
So my diet can prevent and help reverse cancer… can stop heart disease… Vegans have the lowest rate for obesity and diabetes then people with any other diet. I don’t care to argue much, it’s just fact. People have their own opinions, but fact stands up to anything and everything. Do the research.
Mar 08, 2013 @ 05:52:40
Oh my goodness.
Sorry I’ve got to this thread a bit late but I’ve seen/heard this type of discussion so many times it makes me want to hit my head on something.
I’ve been a vegan for a year and a half. I’m not glowing with superhuman health, but I’m not frail and feeble either. Each to their own, and I think your attitude to what you eat – healthily or unhealthily – is much more important than whether you include dairy or meat or neither.
All you meateaters, please stop vegan-bashing – we’re not all self-righteous anaemic hippies living off buckwheat and tofu and judging the world from the sofa because we don’t have the energy to get off it.
And all you vegans, please stop saying things like “if you eat a corpse you will inhale all the hate and death and it will strangle your intestines with bad karma” because of course no-one will take you seriously.
And anyway, I thought the original debate was which diet is healthier, not who can concoct the most pseudo-moral standpoint.
Mar 08, 2013 @ 16:42:15
This is so simple. Anyone who takes care of their health will be healthy. You can be vegan and be unhealthy, you can eat animal products and live healthy over 100 years.
But sad truth is almost everyone eats processed food, and almost no one is physically active enough.
You think you’re healthy for cutting meat from your diet? Man, that makes NO SENSE. It’s hilarious someone can think that, ever heard of logic??
THINK. If cutting meat is so important, how about try not exercising, smoking, eating too much salt and sugar, processed food, having a stressful job, etc. And see if not eating meat makes that much of a difference.
Please…
Just for the record, being extra-thing is not being healthy. It’s being too obese and sedentary what kills you. Studies suggest even being chubby might be better for you than being super slim. Google it if you’re interested, is all over the web.
But long story short, people just love trends. Why do people always fall for the “Oh, this must be the answer!”
The answer is simple and it’s fool proof, you just need some balls to do it. And it’s not just a miracle diet, because even though diet is very important, there is more to health than what you eat or not eat. In case you forgot it’s very important being physically, mentally and socially active and avoiding stress, breathing fresh air toxin free, of course not smoking, and moderate alcohol consumption. Also being hydrated throughout the day. And when it comes to diet, you think cutting meat is important? it probably doesn’t even makes a difference. But I can guarantee you something that does make a difference: how about getting adequate calorie consumption; low sodium and low sugar (no processed food); EATING THE RECOMMENDED AMOUNT OF VEGETABLES <– very few people do this, unless they're vegans or vegetarians; eating healthy fats, getting enough fibers, complex carbohydrates, quality protein, B12, etc etc. All that makes a huge difference. If you do all this and don't have a long life (and you don't get hit by a truck or some other accident) then being vegan wasn't going to help, TRUST ME.
And what's funny about some of the studies vegetarians vs omnivorous, is that vegetarians choose a healthy lifestyle (hello? BIAS) and not to mention because of it, you can add a tendency to exercise more, and many other factors regarding health, that favors probability and makes those studies so bogus.
Get real people!
Mar 12, 2013 @ 17:06:35
I’m french so excuse-me if I make mistakes.
I just want to add three things :
1) Yes, human ate meat for a long time but, then, they didn’t have an alternative and the animals were killed in the wild. They were not parked like objects or jewish people during the war.
2) Would you be able to kill the animal you’re gonna eat? To look at him and listen to him while he’s dying?
3) If slaughterhouses’s walls were made of glass, everyone would be vegan.
Mar 13, 2013 @ 20:53:52
First off, modern slaughter houses use methods that are quick to end the life of the animal..
You won’t hear animals suffering or dying in there.. The noises you here in there from the animals are the exact same noises you will hear in a farm’s barn..
I’m a hunter, so yes, I do kill animals that I eat.. I also slaughter them myself..
Sure, some people have a weak stomach and pass out at the sight of blood, (even their own).
But they still eat meat..
On a side note, I would like to add that it is true that environmental human evolution plays a large part in your natural dietary needs.. And since I, like my ancestors, come from a temperate climate, my body needs a good balance of meat and vegetables..
Most of the time my body will tell me what it needs in the form of craving.. Craving is not a want unless it’s brought on by seeing a food ad on TV or while you’re at the market shopping on an empty stomach, then everything looks good..
I’m talking about the craving you get just out of the blue.. When you’re sitting there reading a book or playing a game and all the sudden something specific just sounds delicious to you..
In my case, sometimes I crave only a meat product and other times I only crave fruits or vegetables..
I may not even be hungry at the time these cravings hit, but I don’t ignore what my body is telling me..
And just as I have cravings, I also have days I don’t really feel hungry at all and eat less.. Of course I have those days where I feel like my belly can’t get full fast enough..
We are omnivores, there’s no getting around that scientific fact no matter what you try to say.. Veganism is a lifestyle choice, and I have no problem with people that choose this lifestyle unless you’re the type that try to force your view on me and others, then I refer to you as “angry vegans”..
As for me, I will continue to listen to my body and continue to live just like every one of our ancestors did..
Just for fun:
I read earlier in this thread that someone said vegan is more like a religion..
I find it ironic that some religious cults have been recorded as taking meat out of the diets of their members to more easily brainwash them..
Mar 17, 2013 @ 00:08:09
Sorry, Lori. I’ll need to debate your statements. Feel free to reply. “A vegan diet is not healthy”. Wrong. A well planned vegan diet is far healthier than any other, short term or long term. The protein composing the flesh of animals, fish and fowl, was built up in the respective bodies from the live, organic atoms in the raw food they were nourished with. Such flesh, of course, is a complete protein. Before the body can digest such protein, however, it must break it down not only into the original amino acids, but also into the original atoms in order that it may build up its own protein from these original atoms and primary amino acids. In the first place the meat is poisoned when the animal is slaughtered, because of the poisons through the terrified fear of the killing. In the second place such meat is a dead product deteriorating every second after the death of the animal. In addition, the meat and amino acids are still further destroyed by the heat in cooking. All RAW vegetables and fruits contain the necessary atoms from which amino acids are formed in the system. The human body cannot utilize for constructive purposes flesh products of any kind in the form of “complete proteins,” but it can gather from the fresh vegetables and their juices, when these are fresh and properly made, the finest atoms from which to construct its own vital amino acids and protein. The eating of meat, or any flesh products or extracts, in the very nature of things, results in the accumulation of excessive amounts of acid. The most damaging is uric acid which the muscles absorb like a sponge absorbs water. As soon as the accumulation of this uric acid has reached the saturation point, it crystallizes, and the uric acid crystals form which result in many forms of disease.
I’ve been studying health and nutrition for many years, and I can assure you that an acidic state in the blood is one of the primary causes of all disease. The high content of uric acid is one of the primary reasons for anything from atherosclerosis (and therefore high cholesterol), to hypertension, arthritis and gout, diabetes, cancer, kidney stones and renal failure, and virtually any other disease. We need to to alkaline for good health. We humans do not secrete the enzyme that digests uric acid (uricase), so it’s absorbed into the bloodstream where the problems start. A raw food vegan diet is by far the healthiest, as it not only supplies a a much healthier protein, but it supplies live enzymes which digest food for us, while we take full advantage of our own pancreatic enzymes to help repair and build strong tissue, arteries, bones and organs. I teach many people in the “health field”, as most medical professionals are clueless about nutrition. I have talked to scores of biologists, chemists, doctors (including gastroenterologists and endocrinologists), and tons of naturopaths. The fats you speak of are toxic to humans. Healthy fats for humans are in nuts and seeds. Raw unrefined coconut oil is one of the healthiest fats we can consume, not animal fat. Have you ever seen a blood sample of a daily meat eater after the lipid rises to the top? It’s drastically different than one of a healthy raw vegan.
Vitamin B12 we must get from animal sources? Not true. B12 is a bacteria that lives in soil. When we eat raw, organic veggies and fruits that have grown in this soil, and we lightly wash the food, the base of the food is covered in B12. This is absorbed through the walls of the small intestine at a much higher rate than the very hard to break down meat products. And, the high acid content of meat and dairy also lead to a weaker lining of the stomach, where the parietal cells secrete a protein called Intrinsic factor, which is essential for the utilization of B12 in the small intestine. Alkaline foods like raw veggies and fruit provide and optimal state of health to the lining of the stomach.
This is only some of the reason why a raw vegan diet is much healthier than a diet including meat & dairy. I can easily supply more if needed
Mar 17, 2013 @ 01:27:54
I need to also comment on the absurdity of the people who say we are “omnivores, like it or not”. We are behavioral omnivores, we are not anatomical omnivores. I challenge anyone to debate me on that. We carry the gene that holds the uricase enzyme (which suggests that we may have been anatomically designed to digest meat at one time, but we are not now). We do not secrete the enzyme. If we were anatomical omnivores, we would secrete it, just like ALL anatomical omnivores do. Before anyone goes throwing out “but chimps eat meat” comments, they do that sporadically throughout two months of the dry season (when fruit, nuts, and seeds are scarce) as a survival tactic. Meat or insects make up only 1.4% of their diet (as proven by Jane Goodall). And, the their feces show undigested meat. When they do eat meat, they put the meat between leaves and chew, extracting the juices. These sandwiches are then, most commonly, discarded and not actually swallowed at all. I suggest Jane Goodall’s findings to learn the truth.
All anatomical omnivores secrete 10-12 times more HCL in the stomach to digest meat. To be precise, the pH in carnivores and omnivores with food in their stomachs is less than or equal to about 1.0. For humans, on the other hand, pH ranges from 2.0-4.5 with food in the stomach. This is a huge difference. We don’t digest meat like they do.
“But, what about the anthropologists? They know more than you”. Anthropologists who understand nutrition all agree one two things. One, the Australopithecus era was the first sign of consumption of animal products, and it seems that hominids were strictly fruit eaters (frugivores) before hand. The Ice Age hit, and the Australopithecus ate the leftover marrow (it seems from tools discovered) that large predatory carnivores killed and ate. This was a survival tactic, as plant foods were scarce. Discovery of skeletal remains also show signs of degenerative disease in the joints (just as meat does to us now). Jump ahead to Homo Erectus into the Homo Sapien eras, where scavenging is recorded, but hunting is very questionable. The other thing nutritionally educated anthropologists agree that development of larger brains occurred over such a long period of time that starch must have played a large role in that, suggesting that it may have been more due to starch and less due to meat, or maybe not meat at all.
Lastly, I read in a comment here “I read earlier in this thread that someone said vegan is more like a religion. I find it ironic that some religious cults have been recorded as taking meat out of the diets of their members to more easily brainwash them”.
This kind of comment is comical. The meat and dairy industry is huge money and power in this country (in this world), and lies to people to no end to get people to eat their products, even though it all causes disease. The “cult” is the people who back the corporations, when we live in a society of corporatism. Please get educated, people
Mar 18, 2013 @ 01:06:33
As soon as you produce some proof of being a nutritionist, I will take what you wrote seriously. I’d advise others do the same.
Apr 05, 2013 @ 10:15:02
Do you only take advice from trained professionals in life? Did you consult a professional writer before putting this comment here?
Mar 19, 2013 @ 15:43:35
Bullshit! I have been vegan for about 7 years and when I decided to become one I studied a lot on the matter. Sorry but I can say that everything you said is not true, you didn’t research enough and the only documentation you bring is a research done almost 1 century ago! Come on, try some more. You are right on one thing, you have the right to say whatever you want, but I hope that nobody is so lazy to believe you blind folded.
Mar 19, 2013 @ 20:18:57
In my experience as a Vegan of 4 1/2 years, I’ve never felt better in my life. I’m surprised by some of the statements here, because they have not been my experience. I was vegetarian for 9 years before becoming Vegan, and still felt the same as I had my entire life before hand. But I literally feel more “alive” than I ever did before. For me and the Vegans I’ve met, Veganism has transformed our lives and given us both the energy to function at our peak, as well as a set of principles that make me feel invigourated.
I couldn’t recommend this lifestyle more!
Mar 21, 2013 @ 03:25:55
First I’d like to say that from a sustainability angle the earth can’t handle growing crops for everyone. To keep it short just check out the destruction agriculture causes. For successful agriculture we need grazers. (You can google the why of it) Agriculture is every bit as destructive as the livestock industry. It is a combination of the two that is successful. Think crop rotation, fertilizer,and soil retention. Second: I always hear that more people could be fed from the grain we feed the livestock. This is true. However we cannot thrive on grain alone and it’s only fed to livestock because it is cheap and plentiful. Cows and chickens should not be fed grain. It is fed to them (along with growth hormones) to produce larger animals more quickly and to increase milk and egg production. This creates an unnatural rate of cell growth and lower amounts of the fats we need and higher amounts of fats we don’t. Our current livestock practices need to be eliminated. Cows eat grasses. Grasses need to be used in crop rotation to keep the soil from becoming depleted. Manure helps to keep soil balanced as well. Chickens help to keep soil aerated and lowers pest populations. These animals are healthy to eat. As are the vegetables grown without heavy synthetic fertilizer use. These fertilizers are huge factors in pollution and fossil fuel use. This is how nature works. And it’s the only way to make our food sustainable. Third: Humans CAN eat raw meat and fish. The risk of E. Coli and salmonella is hight precisely because our livestock is fed, treated and handled poorly. People eat raw and undercooked meat all over the world. And fish too. Fourth: A human’s intestines are not as long as an herbivore’s since herbivores have very long digestive tracts because it takes a long time to FULLY digest raw fruits and vegetables. Think corn poop. It’s not how quickly it’s digested that matters but how thoroughly. Neither is the human digestive tract as short as a carnivore’s. Carnivores digest huge amounts of protein quickly and only need a short digestive tract. Interesting observation: carnivores are lean and fast animals whereas herbivores tend to be slower and heavier. Omnivores(like humans) have a digestive tract somewhere in the middle and can be either lean or fat. Fifth: In regard to the comment about Dr. Price’s study on primarily meat eating cultures eating small amounts of meat; it is simply not true. The healthiest cultures ate mostly meat and fish. The most remarkably healthy ate almost nothing but meat, fish and shellfish. And finally, from an animal rights perspective people need to realize that in nature animals relationships are inter-related. Even with plants. Plants need animal products. Animals need plant products. Taking into account that two-thirds of the earth cannot be used for farming and that the temperate zones are productive for only a short portion of the year, veganism on a global scale would be a horror for all non-human animals. Humans would use the land for a huge variety of crops. (We would have to to have a balanced diet) The animals would have to be kept out of OUR food supply. Burrowing animals would likely be poisoned. The remaining animals would be left without habitat and food. Horribly cruel. And we’re not talking just grain fields, but huge tracts of land for mostly mono crop vegetables which require space and enormous amounts of water. The animals would suffer horribly. Nature shows us how the balance works. If you go against nature(which is a complex web of life)the earth will be uninhabitable for many many years before it brings itself back into a natural balance. Who knows how much will be lost in the process?
Mar 23, 2013 @ 18:48:55
OK folks. Without rewriting history or debating right and wrong here is my experience of attempting to be a Vegetarian for a 10 year period. I consumed large salads of organic spinach and various lettuce types. I never ate fried foods nor junk foods (chips,etc.) nor red meat but I would have chicken (broiled) and/or tuna/shrimp. I never drank cow milk or cheese. However, I began to lose my hair; it becoming thinner and thinner each passing year. My fingernails began to thicken and had white spots and grew “oddly”. Then, in y 50′s I was told I had thinning bones from lack of vitamin D. I added Coconut Milk, 1 oz. of cheese daily, 1 organic egg, 1 oz. of chicken in my salads; and maintained eating lots of spinach/lettuce/tom etc.
My hair is thicker and nails better. I’m doing Yoga to strengthen my bones. I was not getting enough protein/D vitamin. This matter of eating properly is complex and if you don’t want a “walker” or a “cane” in your future: LEARN WHAT WORKS FOR YOUR BODY.
Mar 31, 2013 @ 16:27:05
Several recent studies found human DNA in meat (in Africa). As a Vegan, I may run into a less than sweet apple or a overly ripen tomato but I don’t think I have to worry about ingesting a mouthful of human DNA. You can keep telling yourselves that dairy and meat are necessities for a good healthly diet but I’ll pass, thank you.
Apr 01, 2013 @ 12:26:48
I just began a vegan diet about 3 weeks ago, so I am constantly researching the healthiest ways to proceed. I can say that I feel fantastic (so far)! As far as the statement about not having access to healthy fats year-round, I’m a little confused- I can’t remember ever going to the grocery store and not being able to buy olive oil, avocados, almonds, walnuts, pine nuts, etc. I eat these things very often because their creamy texture has replaced things like cheese and mayonnaise for me. SO, why would I need to eat meat or dairy for healthy fats?
P.S. Great site over all, so glad I found it!
Apr 02, 2013 @ 10:53:25
Og course, there´s millions of healthy vegans, and a lot of Investigatios proof that, but your opinion ir more importante than the cientific investigation
Apr 04, 2013 @ 16:22:20
I think the whole thing is just a overly exaggerated B.S and that we Humans always in search of challenging ourselves to seek something other than what we currently have or used to. We humans are Omnivores or Hybrid in today’s term. We consume plants to supply our nutrients but at the same time our body requires Proteins and nutrients that is highly available in Animals. I can only support those whom are sensitive to animal products or religious reasons other than that, it is nothing but…..
Apr 12, 2013 @ 01:11:08
Did you know that carnivores have short, smooth digestive tracts while herbivores have long, bumpy ones?
Actually, here’s a list of reasons that show we’re herbivores: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/are-humans-carnivores-or-herbivores-2/
Yes, humans can digest meat. We’re easily the most adaptable animal on this planet. Eating meat is a survival mechanism, as is consuming dairy. Dairy is obviously super unnatural, being breast milk for calves and hard to digest. We can eat only plants and be perfectly healthy, so why keep being cruel?
Apr 05, 2013 @ 10:06:49
As a recovering vegan I can relate and tell you from personal experience that the vegan diet almost killed me. I was vegan for over 5 years and I was inches from death, and didn’t even know. My parents finally convinced me to go back to vegetarian, and within a year I felt a million times better. Keep in mind this was not some “trend” for me. I was in my 20′s and was doing it for moral/personal reasons. I had already been a vegetarian for over 5 years. A vegan diet cannot sustain life without the use of multiple supplements, and then what’s the point really? (plus a crap load of supplements have gelatin in them and the vegans don’t even realize). If you say you are vegan you have to give up a lot. Most ‘vegans’ don’t realize that a clarifying agent used in almost 80% of alcohols is not vegan, or that the little bit of leather on your shoe is not vegan, or using any animal for personal gain… etc.
I slowly reintroduced non vegan, but still vegetarian items back into my diet. Being over 6 feet tall, 119 pounds was a bit too thin if you ask me, since veganism I have gained back 60 pounds and am at an ideal weight. Now I still live as cruelty free as possible without jeopardizing my own life. I am healthier than ever and I have to be honest I 100% do not believe in a pure vegan diet.
Also, the culture as a whole seems to snub those around them, its a ‘holier than thou’ attitude that most vegans have and it is so contradictory to living cruelty free (as humans are also animals, why would you be cruel to them but not a cow??)
Anyway. Thanks for this post, I enjoyed reading it and thought it was very well done.
Apr 08, 2013 @ 15:36:13
Thanks for the article. It just reminded me to take my B12 vitamin :) I don’t mind what others eat. I do know that it is hard to argue that broccoli and kale cause cardiovascular disease and cancer. With that being said when a piece of literature is presented to me that a plant-based diet is detrimental to my health THEN I will consider supplementing my diet with meat. UNTIL then I will continue with my greens, legumes, cruciferous veggies, whole grains, and seeds. I don’t mind at all supplementing my diet with a harmless B12 vitamin. You can supplement your omnivorous diet with heart meds and other medications used to combat the effects of the diet you choose.
Apr 08, 2013 @ 19:17:12
One thing that you didn’t mention was that all animal products contain the protein casein, which promotes tumor growth. Many cultures that have low heart disease and cancer rates eat almost entirely plants. If you don’t believe me look at Dr. Campbell’s China Study or watch the documentary Forks Over Knives. Many of the things you are saying are not true about a vegan diet not having enough nutrition.
Apr 10, 2013 @ 08:42:29
Fascinating that someone who claims to love cooking and baking obviously doesn´t know enough about how to get the nutrients that person need. For every “vegan” that presents the kind of inaccuracies that you do, there are 150 vegans who live full, happy and well nourished lives for as long as they live (and as I´m sure you know, even if you for some self serving reason chose to ignore it, we tend to live a lot longer than the general population).
The flaw is with you, not with veganism.
Apr 13, 2013 @ 21:43:43
People that mindlessly eat meat without ever contemplating exactly what they are doing always feel contempt against vegans. I think it is because subconsciencely they feel guilt.
Why do you meat eaters care? Worry about your own footprints.
Apr 16, 2013 @ 10:52:37
Right on!
Apr 16, 2013 @ 10:51:44
There are a million different nutritional theories out there, and they are mostly meaningless. I ignore them all, and prefer to look at the data. There are way too many vegans living long healthy lives for us to say that vegan diet is unhealthy. There are also way too many meat eaters out there living long healthy lives for us to say that eating meat is unhealthy. Clearly no matter which decision you make, you need to be smart eat wholesome foods and stay away from nasty processed foods. What pushed me towards vegan diet is my love for animals. I choose not to eat them.
Apr 16, 2013 @ 23:50:33
Yikes, I’ve been a vegan for 80 years. Born a vegan, always a vegan. A lot of my meat eating friends are in the hospital right now. How sad.
Apr 16, 2013 @ 23:56:16
I like how everyone will believe the story of one person who failed at the vegan diet while there are millions of unhealthy meat eating people clogging up hospitals around the world. 70% of diseases derive from food. 80% of the world eats meat. Think about this one more time people.
Apr 21, 2013 @ 07:48:06
I despair at the lot of you. I eat a balanced diet, cut out the excess sugar (which I’d be inclined to believe is the real problem) and feel fine. Great, in fact, after spending the first 20 years of my life riddled with all kinds of nastiness from eczema to chronic stomach woes to hypoglycemic attacks to panic attacks and plenty more besides. Do what’s right for YOU and your health… and if you’re following a diet for ethical reasons, have some respect for the decisions of those who live (and eat) differently, as I do for you and yours.
Apr 21, 2013 @ 10:29:09
I love how saying what people WANT to hear instead of saying what they NEED to hear sells so well. If you want a best seller, write a book called “The Bacon and Cheese Diet: Eat all you want, loose weight and improve your skin!” Somewhere, one individual may actually have tried this. It doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. STATISTICALLY, a vegan or even vegetarian diet is better for you than a meat diet. But if you hate beans, Are too lazy to cook whole grains, shun tofu, loathe Kale and get tummy aches when you eat fruit, then you will be unhealthy as a vegan. If you are thoughtful about your nutrients and eat a large variety of non-animal food,you can make it work well.Oh…and Oreos are vegan. If you eat just these, you will become a mal-nourished, dead person. If you eat just apples, same thing. Just meat, same thing. If you eat food, get your blood work done periodically to ensure you are getting what you need and avoiding what you don’t need. It’s just common sense.
Apr 21, 2013 @ 13:14:24
Ahh, statistics. Something that you should always trust 100% because they’d never lie or cherry pick or misconstrue facts.
Apr 29, 2013 @ 03:11:14
I was raised an omnivore and plan to keep it that way, i will reinforce the same lifestyle to my children, if they to convert later, they are free to do it so… Most vegan comments i read have to do to abolish suffering of animals, etc rather than health itself…If i live a shorter or longer than your life well good for you..we all gotta die someday, make your stay worth it.
May 03, 2013 @ 11:17:02
Just a bunch of meat eating people justifying their cruel and deadly lifestyle. People need to use FACTS. Vegetarianism/veganism isn’t a belief, its the natural way that humans are supposed to live. http://www.peta.org/living/vegetarian-living/the-natural-human-diet.aspx Vitamin B12 is not only from ANIMAL sources, as is said in this article with no backing. Plenty of foods are fortified with B12 nowadays, take almond milk for example. Don’t put things in your blog that aren’t true. That is seriously the most annoying thing, you are spreading ignorance.
May 05, 2013 @ 13:15:52
Quoting from PETA isn’t going to win you any points. They have an agenda to push and aren’t above twisting facts and outright lying to get their way.
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May 04, 2013 @ 11:46:57
Vegetarians aren’t pretentious. It’s the same way with religion. How can you share your way of life with someone without having them question you? You site another blog. Facts are all that matter, unfortunately people will believe whatever they read on the internet. Find sources to fit your argument and voila, uniting people against something factual.
May 09, 2013 @ 00:11:19
As a vegan I am glad to know that I am on the right side of history. One day, the uneducated, misinformed and ignorant will seek the truth. Until then enjoy being fat, America! (I’d attempt to make a logical argument but after reading this post there really is no point). I’ll be sleeping well tonight knowing my body is not a graveyard.
May 13, 2013 @ 08:10:00
As a gardener, I can see that plants react to certain stimulus such as human touch. On a deeper level, I feel their presence and life around me. As a human, I eat the stuff I grow. At the same time, I honour the life I take because it gives me life. I don’t have a problem with meat eaters so long as they respect the life they take and take it in a respectful way. Many vegetarians and vegans glaze over the fact that plant life is also life. Like meat eaters, you accept a hierarchy of life and pick your poison so to speak. You take life when you eat life. This is the circle of life in my belief system.
There are probably health benefits on either side of the argument however what is sad is the us versus them mentality. Vegan, vegetarian, ovo-lactose blah blah blah, meateater, carnivore, omnivore. These divisions are all nonsense. We are human beings. Eat because you have to and drop the moral proclamations. Treat the life form you slaughter with care and acknowledge that ALL LIFE has value. When you yourself as a part of the circle of life you become truly humbled and these divisions begin to fall away.
Peace